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"LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements"{Brooklyn Scoot} & "Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination" |
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Posted by gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 14:26:46 2012 Fulton Street Transit Center; Next Great Destination pages: 17-35 http://www.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/120326_1400_Cpoc.pdf |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 15:57:07 2012, in response to "LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements"{Brooklyn Scoot} & "Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination", posted by gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 14:26:46 2012. It's interesting that the MTA has the money to ADA equip Bay Parkway and Hunter College but they don't have the money to ADA equip one of the busiest transfer points in the city, East New York?Also Jamaica Scoot (Shuttle) sounds really inconvenient for the type of transfer train service the MTA runs out of Jamaica. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 23 17:07:01 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 15:57:07 2012. 16TPH to Brooklyn? That's an 8-10 minute headway! They've got to be nuts if they think the line needs that much service outside of the rush hour. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:22:47 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 23 17:07:01 2012. See if its fare structure becomes NYCT's, stays with LIRR, or both are acceptable. Ideally, buy a Zone 3 ticket rather than Zone 1, then MC. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:28:44 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 23 17:07:01 2012. Since it is a shuttle I would imagine that they would use shorter trains. Four cars perhaps? Eight cars on game days?The service will probably be less frequent than stated. When the MTA shy's away from calling this line what it is, a shuttle. Then you know something not-so-great is coming to the LIRR. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:29:57 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:22:47 2012. Jamaica should be CTZ from the west and remain zone 3 from the east. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:54:49 2012, in response to "LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements"{Brooklyn Scoot} & "Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination", posted by gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 14:26:46 2012. In 1832 the LIRR stretched from Atlantic Terminal to Jamaica. In 1837 it was extended to Hicksville. Instituting one-seat Brooklyn Jamaica service.Whatever good or bad will come from this service rearrangement it must be stated that this will be the historic end of one seat service form Brooklyn through Jamaica to Hicksville and beyond that began in 1837. 187 years of a commuting tradition will come to an end in 2017, and until East Side Access opens one year later this will be the most visible service change in the modern history of the LIRR. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:59:37 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:28:44 2012. While they will lie on a stack of Bibles about it today, operating budget pressures (and all this Manhattan service and Scoot thing WILL blow their operating budget) will mean over nite and weekend Far Rockaway service becomes shuttles to Valley Stream or cut back to Jamaica.They run thru now basically to give Valley Stream and Brooklyn 2 trains per hour. When Brooklyn goes away as a thru service, they will tell Valley Stream to go eff themselves as they did the whole Port Washington branch. I would think 7 6-car trains overhauled M-3's ought to be good enough for this Brooklyn Scoot, run it every 10 minutes. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 18:03:06 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:54:49 2012. Um, there was no one seat ride between Brooklyn and Hicksville from 1905 (start of Brooklyn electrification) to 1972 (electrification beyond Mineola). You "changed at Jamaica" and you will again. Main Line only gets a couple of rush hour Brooklyn trains a day anyway. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 18:23:03 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'', posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 18:03:06 2012. Thanks for the correction, but there was still the electric service to stations east of Jamaica that provided the one seat ride which was my whole point about the end of this service. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 23 20:22:22 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 15:57:07 2012. The layout of Broadway Junction makes it very difficult to install elevators. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 23 20:25:31 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:59:37 2012. Operating budget pressures (and all this Manhattan service and Scoot thing WILL blow their operating budget) will mean over nite and weekend Far Rockaway service becomes shuttles to Valley Stream or cut back to Jamaica.I doubt it. Unless they plan on doubling some other routes, the overnight and weekend Far Rock trains will simply be GCT trains. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 23 20:35:38 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:59:37 2012. would think 7 6-car trains overhauled M-3's ought to be good enough for this Brooklyn Scoot, run it every 10 minutes.No overhauled M-3s, they're on their way out. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Mar 23 20:50:02 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 15:57:07 2012. unless the MTA invests in a funicular elivator, ADAing ENY would be almost immposible. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:01:10 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:59:37 2012. Hows about giving some mothballed R44's a workout? And oh yes, REOPEN WOODHAVEN!-W- |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:02:36 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 18:23:03 2012. Mostly (if not totally) Hempstead, no?-w- |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:03:49 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 23 20:22:22 2012. And it doesn't even directly connect w/BJ - it connects with AA which is one stop to the south on the "L".wayne |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 21:21:26 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by The Silence on Fri Mar 23 20:50:02 2012. One elevator for each of the IND platforms. The front mezzanine slightly extended west because the stairs are at the front of the platform. The elevators will be behind the stairs.One elevator (should be two) to rise from the IND mezzanine to the LJZ mezzanine using a balcony against the wall (Jamaica Van Wyck) to connect to the LJZ mezzanine from near the foot of the current escalators. For example: /= escalator going up/down ]= elevator ]/= when you transfer from the subway to the el's, this is the new configuration to the LJZ mezzanine. The JZ platforms will each have on elevator just west the stairs from the perspective of the mezzanine. There is room for that. The L platform to Canarsie already has a ramp so the elevator there is not necessary. The Manhattan bound L platform will have one elevator at the top of the ramp, a cross over (like at Junction Blvd), and another elevator to the manhattan bound platform. It's very simple. Seven elevators minimum although I would suggest two elevators connecting the IND to the BMT el's. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 21:22:46 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:02:36 2012. These days mostly Far Rockaway. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Fri Mar 23 23:45:25 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:01:10 2012. The NYCT R44 Subway car is history. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 24 06:07:32 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by HANDBRAKE on Fri Mar 23 23:45:25 2012. Unfortunately, not on SIR it isn't. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 24 09:27:57 2012, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:01:10 2012. I agree, they would be a fine choice for a scoot.With only four stations, piece of cake! If the floor level and platform levels could match. That and serviceable rolling stock could be brought to FRA spec.'s A railfan would notice right away. The casual observer wouldn't notice for days , or weeks. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Apr 1 12:12:41 2013, in response to "LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements"{Brooklyn Scoot} & "Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination", posted by gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 14:26:46 2012. Does anyone know if this future LIRR Scoot service will allow MetroCard NYCT passengers to use this service as part of the subway/bus system i.e. is for a MetroCard fare with free transfers to other subway and bus lines? |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Apr 1 12:42:17 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Apr 1 12:12:41 2013. no. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 1 16:31:42 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:29:57 2012. Extreme western terminal stations (LIC, HPA, NYP, GCT, FBA) should be Zone 1, and the other stations west of Flushing/Jamaica (WDS, FH, KG, ENY, NOS, MWP) should be a new Zone 2, as well as Jamaica and Flushing traveling to/from points west. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 1 17:09:21 2013, in response to "LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements"{Brooklyn Scoot} & "Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination", posted by gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 14:26:46 2012. This whole Brooklyn scoot thing makes me want to bitch slap LIRR across the face |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 17:48:54 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 17:54:49 2012. No it won't. Service to Flatbush will not be fully "scooterized" no matter what they say now. There will definitely be rush hour thru service. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 17:51:42 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Through Service 1839-2017'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Mar 23 21:02:36 2012. AM, 1 from Huntington, 3 from RO. PM, 2 to RO only. Only 3 from Hempstead in the AM (peak). |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 17:53:56 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 23 17:59:37 2012. I doubt we'll see any cutbacks on weekends, trains that run thru to Atlantic Terminal will simply be routed to Manhattan. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 17:55:12 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 23 20:22:22 2012. You'd have to up and down to get anywhere. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 1 18:21:31 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 17:48:54 2013. No there won't. They will be ripping out the crossovers so that they will not be able to get to the Atlantic Branch from most existing platforms, and I have a copy of the track diagrams. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 18:41:41 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'', posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 1 18:21:31 2013. Check them again. What's gonna be eliminated is any chance of being able to switch from Atlantic and Mainline west of Jamaica. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 1 19:00:48 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''Brooklyn-Jamaica-Hicksville Service 1839-2017'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 18:41:41 2013. They would have to wrong-rail a train onto the eastbound side, like thru Track 6 or hight. I cannot see them doing that off the South Road or Montauk Branch. They do wrong-rail main-line trains (non-Hempstead Locals), but very few of those now go to FBA. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 1 19:17:22 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 1 17:55:12 2013. Where do you put an elevator down to the A/C platforms? |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 1 20:18:39 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by E and F and sometimes J on Fri Mar 23 21:21:26 2012. Can they extend the mezzanine? I thought it was just a building on the surface... if the mezzanine could have been larger I figure the IND would have made a more normal sized mezzanine, especially for an express station right under an el express / transfer station... |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 1 20:31:43 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 1 20:18:39 2013. This is sort of back to the future.The original intent of Platform C and Tracks 4 & 5 were to base Atlantic Avenue Locals, as were the 2 stub tracks east. There were once 3 stub tracks, but one was ripped out early on to spread the other two to clear MP54's side-by-side, not the narrower MP41's. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Apr 2 05:08:03 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 1 20:31:43 2013. So why don't they use platform C for Brooklyn and use platform F for eastbound Main Line trains? |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Apr 2 05:27:25 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 1 19:17:22 2013. There really isn't a place to do it unless you can somehow extend the existing structure and put new staircases a bit past where the current staircases are and put elevators where the existing staircases are.Otherwise, it's impossible. |
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Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 2 07:30:49 2013, in response to Re: ''LIRR: Jamaica Capacity Improvements''{Brooklyn Scoot} & ''Fulton St T.C.; Next Great Destination'', posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Apr 2 05:08:03 2013. Defeats the whole purpose. They want the crossovers ripped out so that there are no crossover conflicts on the "Jay" side of Jamaica gunking up the works.It would be close to impossible to route a train from Platform F to the South Road / Atlantic Branch. That is an inflexibility they are not willing to deal with. The Platform letters don't seem to be obvious to the public anymore. |
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