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WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 00:29:59 2012 Metro unveils new system map in preparation for Rush PlusNew rush service pattern begins 06 18 2012. For immediate release: 03 13 2012 Rush Hour Reinvented Map will be in effect from 06 18 2012 to the day before the opening of Phase I of the Silver line. Silver Line to open between late 2013 and early 2014. For comparison purposes here is the existing map: John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 20 08:03:43 2012, in response to WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 00:29:59 2012. Interesting. I guess extra service is good...but one of the beauties of Metro has been that the routes are easy to understand-= they're not tangled, and until now, always went to the same place. Now, passengers on the Yellow and Orange lines may have to pay extra attention to terminals...just like A train riders.Thanks for sharing. |
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Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 09:05:19 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 20 08:03:43 2012. Interesting. I guess extra service is good...but one of the beauties of Metro has been that the routes are easy to understand-= they're not tangled, and until now, always went to the same place. Now, passengers on the Yellow and Orange lines may have to pay extra attention to terminals...just like A train riders.The map to follow when the Silver line opens will have a similar look with few tweaks to show the Silver line running to Stadium-Armory Thanks for sharing. You are welcome. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 20 09:17:02 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 09:05:19 2012. I don't mind the split on the south end of the Yellow Line. However, I still think they should try matching the headways east and west ends of the trains running through downtown on the C and D routes so that the Orange Line isn't going all over the place. |
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Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 11:42:08 2012, in response to WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 00:29:59 2012. I really like the new map. I kind of wish there was a different symbol for potential terminus stations so that they can highlight the short turning base Yellow Line and Red Line trains during rush hour. However, this still works well.I wonder if there will be any posted schedules for these special Rush Plus trains in the stations, or will they run frequently enough. |
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Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 20 11:51:07 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 11:42:08 2012. 3 TPH on the Orange Line to Largo and Yellow Lines to Greenbelt and Franconia-Springfield, IIRC. My guess is people will learn the times.I think the solution to the short turns is to either bold the station names on the map or list them on the top with the regular destinations, or just do nothing. The obsession certain people have with the mid-line turnarounds is a bit ridiculous IMO, the short turn Red Lines have existed for years and hasn't been an issue. The fact the Yellow Line was shorter during rush hours than other times was a bit confusing and could have been illustrated better on the map, but now that there will be through service at least to Fort Totten at all times (though not on every train) and with the rush hour only symbol on the map, I think things will be clearer in that regard. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 12:30:04 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 20 11:51:07 2012. The Red Line didn't concern me too much as the next train is likely going to the end of the line. I'm not sure how they are handling the Rush Plus Yellow Line service, though. Hopefully it will work in a similar fashion. It will be confusing at first, but I'm sure people will get the hang of it.I'm happy that there will be full time service to Fort Totten, though...(even though I am nowhere near a regular rider, I have definitely made use of the Yellow Line extension to Fort Totten for my travels to/from "home"). |
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Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 13:36:48 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 20 09:17:02 2012. I don't mind the split on the south end of the Yellow Line. However, I still think they should try matching the headways east and west ends of the trains running through downtown on the C and D routes so that the Orange Line isn't going all over the place.The Orange line trains going to and coming from Largo will be carrying the passenger that are presently using Blue line trains. The only reduction in headways will be between Rosslyn and Pentagon. TPH will remain the same on the C D trunk between Rosslyn and Stadium-Armory, TPH will be greater on the E trunk north of Mount Vernon Square. This redeployment of rolling stock to accommodate passenger loads would not be an issue if WMATA would simply procure more rolling stock to allow more then 20 TPH on the trunk segments of the system. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 20 14:02:01 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 13:36:48 2012. The Orange line trains going to and coming from Largo will be carrying the passenger that are presently using Blue line trains. The only reduction in headways will be between Rosslyn and Pentagon. TPH will remain the same on the C D trunk between Rosslyn and Stadium-Armory, TPH will be greater on the E trunk north of Mount Vernon Square.I understand that, but depending on what TPH is needed at the end of the day once the Silver Line is fully open, I'd advocate for matching the east and west sides of the C and D route in a way that each line only has one destination at each end (or at a minimum, there are only short turns as needed, not branches). It would be simpler for the passengers that way. This redeployment of rolling stock to accommodate passenger loads would not be an issue if WMATA would simply procure more rolling stock to allow more then 20 TPH on the trunk segments of the system. I think we've been saying that for years. I forget who said this, but they built all that beautiful track and have never had enough trains to run on it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 20 20:32:24 2012, in response to WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 00:29:59 2012. This starts to blur the purpose of the color designations of the rail lines and they have double meanings. Need to go to letter designations with color only used for trunk route, not a route name, the NY method:. There aren't enough colors.From Fort Totten, there will be 3 routes: Branch Ave, Huntington, Franconia, all following the same trunk line thru L'Enfant Plaza. Yet 2 are called Yellow and 1 Green. Make one color, call them B, F, and H. Ditto for Orange & Blue. It is the same trunk route between Stadium and Rosslyn, make them the same color, call the 2 Oranges N & V, and the Blue L. For anyone headed to Largo, any Blue will do, but one Orange goes, the other does not. Very confusing. There are 3 routes, use 3 designations. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Mar 20 21:35:46 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 20 20:32:24 2012. Different shades of blue and orange?The short-turn Reds should get their own colour. -w- |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 23:18:20 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 20 14:02:01 2012. I understand that, but depending on what TPH is needed at the end of the day once the Silver Line is fully open, I'd advocate for matching the east and west sides of the C and D route in a way that each line only has one destination at each end (or at a minimum, there are only short turns as needed, not branches). It would be simpler for the passengers that way.The splitting of the Yellow and Orange lines only applies during rush hour. Midday weekends and evenings the service will be as it is today. I think we've been saying that for years. I forget who said this, but they built all that beautiful track and have never had enough trains to run on it. I have been saying this sense the 1980s when I was posting on USENET at misc.transport.urban-transit. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012 |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 20 23:45:48 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 20 20:32:24 2012. This starts to blur the purpose of the color designations of the rail lines and they have double meanings. Need to go to letter designations with color only used for trunk route, not a route name, the NY method:. There aren't enough colors.From Fort Totten, there will be 3 routes: Branch Ave, Huntington, Franconia, all following the same trunk line thru L'Enfant Plaza. Yet 2 are called Yellow and 1 Green. Make one color, call them B, F, and H. Ditto for Orange & Blue. It is the same trunk route between Stadium and Rosslyn, make them the same color, call the 2 Oranges N & V, and the Blue L. For anyone headed to Largo, any Blue will do, but one Orange goes, the other does not. Very confusing. There are 3 routes, use 3 designations. A more logical lettering schema would be the use of the route letters: Yellow Huntington C Yellow Springfield-Franconia J Orange Largo G Orange New Carrollton D Because the Red, Blue, Green and the future Silver lines have no terminals on more then one branch there is no need to attach a letter to those line color. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Mar 21 04:00:11 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 20 20:32:24 2012. I've proposed giving the Metrorail lines numbers as part of an entire overhaul of the route designation system for transit agencies in the DC area. I doubt it will ever happen though, WMATA has determined it is less confusing to leave the already confusing system of designations in place than it is to change them. |
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Posted by jrf2 on Wed Mar 21 11:45:42 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 20 08:03:43 2012. This is really going to confuse visitors !! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 21 13:41:35 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by jrf2 on Wed Mar 21 11:45:42 2012. This is really going to confuse visitors !!How so? The split terminals on the Orange and Yellow lines will only be in effect during peak. Most of visitor that use the system do so primarily in Washington DC. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Mar 21 15:05:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 21 13:41:35 2012. Apparently, people are now overly dependent upon the final destination of the train to figure out where it is going. I don't get it personally, seeing as plenty of other subways in world class cities with splitting lines. I think the issue in DC is going to be that unlike in London or Paris, where there are branches, there are never two different lines going to the same terminal from the same platform within the core. Even in London, the Metropolitan and Piccadilly Lines to Uxbridge don't share platforms in center London. You will be on the C or D route in the core and have both Orange and Blue line trains to Largo AND Orange Line trains to New Carrollton. I see that as being the issue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 21 15:28:28 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 21 13:41:35 2012. exactly..reading can come in handy if used properly! |
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Posted by jrf2 on Thu Mar 22 07:18:37 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 21 13:41:35 2012. I know that when I was visiting, I used the metro in rush hours and assume that others do to. I would be told, (so look at the map) and see that the xxx line stopped there. Now I also have to be concerned about time and destination.Of course there will be massive changes to the Metro site when putting in an attraction to get the proper information. Just thing of every company, attraction, etc that will need to change their literature, web sites, etc and it starts to be abig deal. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 22 18:23:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by jrf2 on Thu Mar 22 07:18:37 2012. Just thing of every company, attraction, etc that will need to change their literature, web sites, etc and it starts to be abig deal.That won't be a problem, most of them just say take line X or Y and exit at station Z. Nothing in the core is changing in that regard. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 22 21:08:05 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Metro releases system map effective 06 18 2012, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Mar 20 21:35:46 2012. Anything but pistachio green, right?:) |
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