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Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy"

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012

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Among other things (Planned Parenthood, the National Endowment for the Arts, National Endowment for the Humanities), Mitt Romney also told a Kirkwood, Mo. crowd he'd 'get rid of the Amtrak subsidy'.

Apparently, Romney hasn't heard that more and more these days, people WANT their trains...SMH!

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 14 09:42:40 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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That's Romney's CEO coming through.
Just sees the bottom line, not the people at work, the people served, and not the interconnect with all of the parts and people around a unit.

Go after what ever is driving the high expenses.

UNIONS!

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Mar 14 10:23:03 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 14 09:42:40 2012.

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Promoting Amtrak's value as a jobs programme is not a way to ensure its continued survival. The better followup question is to ask Romey if he would eliminate the subsidies that roads, farms, the oil industry, etc get as well.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by znufrii on Wed Mar 14 10:35:59 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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what's even more hilarious is that he presents these ideas as legitimate proposals for reducing the budget deficit instead of the anti-liberal ideological pandering they actually represent.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 10:52:40 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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Toldja that liberals are anti-train.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by znufrii on Wed Mar 14 11:01:20 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 10:52:40 2012.

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hah!

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 11:03:07 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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it's just telling them what they want to hear

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 11:23:27 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 11:03:07 2012.

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Who, the libertarians?

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Wed Mar 14 11:38:10 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 10:52:40 2012.

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"...liberals are anti-train."

Really?? I remember a speech that Reagan gave back in the early 80's,concerning Amtrak's future, saying that If the Gov't gave every man woman & child a plane ticket, it would be cheaper on the Govt than continuing the current Govt subsidy.
One of his arguements that he used in trying to kill Amtrak.

Question here, would you consider Reagan a liberal??



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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 11:51:14 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Fisk ave Jim on Wed Mar 14 11:38:10 2012.

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Seeing as he didn't do anything about Iran, he did lean left there, as well as on a number of other issues. Included in that are compromising with the USSR on arms control, bailing out SS and expanding it, creating the DVA, raising the federal gas tax and other taxes (especially the corporate tax rate in 1986), closing tax loopholes, doing nothing about other social issues . . . and remember, it was his predecessor that cut Amtrak funding by two-thirds, and in the middle of an oil crisis too.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 12:49:09 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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Repukeblicans hate anything that runs on a rail and love anything that is gas-guzzling and runs on Middle Eastern oil.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 12:52:36 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 12:49:09 2012.

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When did you get so brainwashed . . . ?

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 14 15:14:11 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Mar 14 10:23:03 2012.

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Agreed.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 15:50:07 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 11:23:27 2012.

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who ever wants to hear it.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Mar 14 16:26:36 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 12:49:09 2012.

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Like Buses?

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 16:42:30 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by N6 Limited on Wed Mar 14 16:26:36 2012.

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He must mean diesel locomotives, of course.

Doesn't matter to him that the oil we get from the Middle East is a fraction of what we actually consume and most of that Mideast oil goes to Europe . . . then again, he's not good with facts.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 17:34:13 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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He is planning to replace the trains though ... you buy a ticket, you get strapped to the roof of the next available departing family truckster ...



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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Mar 14 17:41:12 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 15:50:07 2012.

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Like business bloodsuckers.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 14 17:47:51 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 12:49:09 2012.

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LOL!

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 17:59:31 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 12:52:36 2012.

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From seeing how many millions the BUSH family makes from their OIL STOCKS...it isn't a secret you know Olog.....look it up....if you dare....if not...well...that's your lose....

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Mar 14 18:00:05 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 16:42:30 2012.

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Just torch the oil engine out of the unit and replace it with a transformer, Put a pair of pants on top them shred the useless and obsolete oil engine.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 18:07:10 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Rockparkman on Wed Mar 14 17:41:12 2012.

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like anyone, it's the same deal with politicans all over, it's just how you play the game. Obama said he'd close Gitmo, still hasn't gotten around to it now has he? he said it because people wanted to hear it.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 18:57:38 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 12:49:09 2012.

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Repukeblicans hate anything that runs on a rail

Really? Didn't some Democrat dude try to re-regulate the railroads like back in the "good old days"? When the Pennsylvania was not allowed to raise commuter fares for sumpthin like 40 years, or when Penn Central was forced to bite the bullet to try & "save" the auto & steel industry in the 70's? Yea...Oberstar....no longer around. Good.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Mar 14 19:02:44 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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Am I really the only one who tried to click the link only to be taken to a story about the Neighborhood Watch Killer? I'd like to see the full article where Romney says this...

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Mar 14 19:11:37 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 18:07:10 2012.

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True enough.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 14 20:12:21 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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Gotta pay for contraceptives somehow.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 14 20:46:18 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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I still wouldn't vote for B. O. Z. O. at gunpoint. I'd rather be shot.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 21:09:39 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 14 20:46:18 2012.

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I don't think Santaria's gonna make it to November, so you're good. :)

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 21:38:08 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 17:59:31 2012.

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From seeing how many millions the BUSH family makes from their OIL STOCKS

With the President's help no less! Here is the snip:

"One area where we have focused our efforts since the start of the administration – long before this current spike – is increasing responsible domestic energy production – including oil and gas. In fact, oil production last year rose to its highest level since 2003. From 2008 to 2010, oil production from the Outer Continental Shelf increased more than a third – from 446 million barrels in 2008 to an more than 600 million barrels of estimated production in 2010"

Who would have guessed...Obama helping to make those Bushies even richer than they were when they had the White House! Funny thing, my Chesapeake Energy stock has not been doing too well :o(



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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 21:42:33 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 17:59:31 2012.

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From seeing how many millions the BUSH family makes from their OIL STOCKS

Nothing to do with the topic. And Obama's helping them make many more. I'm not jealous; why are you? Take your meds and go to bed.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 22:03:54 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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I hope you didn't make this story up. I can't find it on the web . . .

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 22:09:36 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 22:03:54 2012.

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That republican virus back again? Here ... try a preload ...

http://www.google.com/search?q=romney+amtrak+funding

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by WillD on Wed Mar 14 22:33:56 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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Not surprising in the slightest given the ideologically motivated contempt for any other mode of transport displayed by 'conservatives' both on the national level and on this board, even when it results in greater expenditures. What matters is his stance on road, air, and yes, maritime and farm subsidies. It goes without saying he'd try to draw blood from a stone by reducing our deficit with the billion dollar Amtrak budget. The big question is whether or not he'd have the gumption to deal with the real money holes to bring about real debt reduction, and whether he'd support the high speed rail lines, which would more than likely operate without subsidies.

If he has the courage to both take on the real problems and recognize the need to improve our infrastructure then he might be worthwhile in the end. But that isn't gonna happen. R. money has already shown he's gonna do more of the same we've seen out of the Republicans. Socialism for him and his buddies, nothing for everyone else.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Mar 14 23:27:06 2012, in response to Romney: "I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy", posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 14 09:08:22 2012.

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Why am I not surprised by this?

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by WillD on Wed Mar 14 23:41:58 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 18:57:38 2012.

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Never mind that that push at re-regulation was directly related to the realization that any realistic plan to operate increased passenger service without building dedicated lines was to regulate the freight railroads now using them. If you want a meaningful increase in intercity rail service without building dedicated high speed rail lines it'd be impossible for them to stand a chance at attracting a passenger without regulation. You can either have your "cheap" "high speed" (two lies for the price of one!) rail on existing tracks with regulation, or you can buck up and pay for the dedicated lines which will ensure our intercity passenger traffic growth does not come at a cost to our freight railroads.

Of course you can also continue shelling out even more for air and road network improvements to get an ever-decreasing ROI. While that's clearly the Republican party's preferred alternative, I trust you'd break with your party's platform on that matter.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 01:24:23 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 14 20:46:18 2012.

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Hah..somehow,I dont see how that matters much. I believe he's doing well enough without your vote...or you.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 01:29:24 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by WillD on Wed Mar 14 22:33:56 2012.

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YUP..A blowhard blowing his party nut bags for votes..shelling the same old shitbag repuke nonsense they are known for..playing on FEAR instead of anything worthwhile.

just like a dealer pushing his drugs..with a lot of takers too stupid to actually know what hes sellin...

people are such idiots.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Mr RT on Thu Mar 15 07:58:49 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 14 09:42:40 2012.

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Romney is part of the 1% ... all those campain speaches are just lip service for the masses :-(

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by kp5308 on Thu Mar 15 10:05:39 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by WillD on Wed Mar 14 23:41:58 2012.

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Never mind that that push at re-regulation was directly related to the realization that any realistic plan to operate increased passenger service without building dedicated lines was to regulate the freight railroads now using them.

You just can't get away from that template can you. Do we need to go over the various attacks from Democrats (2 in particular) on the "price gouging" freight lines? Passenger service has nothing to do with it, except maybe pandering by said freight carriers to these liberal clowns to keep them at bay. This was plainly illustrated by the Norfolk Southern/North Carolina HSR case.

You can either have your "cheap" "high speed" (two lies for the price of one!) rail on existing tracks with regulation, or you can buck up and pay for the dedicated lines which will ensure our intercity passenger traffic growth does not come at a cost to our freight railroads.

How 'bout reliable, say 80/100MPH passenger service? Oh no, gotta be high speed. Anyway, Government will not "buck up & pay" even if they say they will. The whole deal will be demonized when push comes to shove. Just look at the education/social services/broken whatever template being set up against the CAHSR project. And it ain't all Republicans Will.

Of course you can also continue shelling out even more for air and road network improvements to get an ever-decreasing ROI.

Yea, networks that are already there & have suffered deferred maintenance for how long? And you wish to add a whole 'nuther mode to maintain? Really?

I trust you'd break with your party's platform on that matter.

I already have





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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 15 19:15:31 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Mr RT on Thu Mar 15 07:58:49 2012.

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What do you think Obama is? Romney ain't never gone to the top private school in the country, or had a transgendered nanny did he?

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Re:OT Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Mr RT on Thu Mar 15 20:44:58 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 15 19:15:31 2012.

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Obama is part of the 1% how do you figure that ?

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 20:49:16 2012, in response to Re:OT Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by Mr RT on Thu Mar 15 20:44:58 2012.

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Check out Mr. Obama's net worth.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?

Posted by kp5308 on Thu Mar 15 21:31:18 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 22:09:36 2012.

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Hmmmmm...let us see what Obama did for Amtrak for 2012. And the link ain't to some right wing rag Kev....

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 21:47:09 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''?, posted by kp5308 on Thu Mar 15 21:31:18 2012.

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Change the subject. LOL.

Merely helped Olog to find the articles he claimed he couldn't find there, that was all. And yeah ... Obama asking for more "stimulus" money for the rails? Yeah, that'll happen. I can see Boehner's kids wanting a cab ride. Tea Party was QUITE vocal about train funding in the bill they just put together for transportation as well but let's forget about all that. :-\

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by WillD on Fri Mar 16 01:31:30 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by kp5308 on Thu Mar 15 10:05:39 2012.

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How 'bout reliable, say 80/100MPH passenger service?

We tried that. In Ohio and Wisconsin, remember? Two ::ahem:: Republican governors just happened to kill it and then try to apply the funds from those projects to their highway departments.

Oh no, gotta be high speed.

Of course. Otherwise certain people of a political party which will remain nameless despite being the only one to have an explicitly anti-rail platform will attack it as being 'too slow' and 'not carrying people'. We're damned if we build high speed rail and we're damned if we wimp out and follow the Amtrak California/Cascades model. So far the big expensive projects have fared better than the cheap ones, so clearly something is working.

. Anyway, Government will not "buck up & pay" even if they say they will.

That mostly depends on the outcome of the next election. If the Republicans hold their congressional majority then it'll be 1992 again and we'll kick the high speed rail can another 20 years off into the future. If the Democrats win then it's not exactly certain that HSR will enjoy the widespread notoriety it had three years ago, but the chances are certainly much better for California's project to receive the funding it needs to provide a useful LA-SF service.

Just look at the education/social services/broken whatever template being set up against the CAHSR project. And it ain't all Republicans Will.

No, but it's the Republicans who always set it up as "my constituents need socialism, so you have to balance the budget and cannot have your earmark".

Yea, networks that are already there & have suffered deferred maintenance for how long?

Hardly. We pour ten times as much money into each mode as we would have under Obama's most generous high speed rail funding plan. The airlines are scrambling for their handouts to comply with the NextGen ATC system they demanded, all while crying that our system of airports will become the bottleneck which limits the utility of the new airway network. Every other idiot in an highway lobby office has some diagram of a second interstate highway system which they'd be only too happy to build for us if we'd just get those mass transit leeches out of their trust fund to build up some congestion and demand for new highways. One way or another we're going to have to spend a tremendous amount of money on our badly neglected transportation infrastructure, or we'll be forced to accept the cost that comes from having an undersized unreliable and thoroughly obsolete intercity transportation system.

And you wish to add a whole 'nuther mode to maintain?

Of course, because it's still a *hell* of a lot cheaper to move the rapidly growing mid distance intercity market between cities with HSR than it is to do so with air or road travel. You're talking a minimum cost of ten billion dollars to build a new airport these days, and that doesn't include ground transportation from the city center. Giving LA the two new airports (presumably Ontario and Palmdale), and San Fran another 1.5 to 2 (perhaps Castle and improvements to San Jose), would easily run 30 billion for the airports alone. You're then looking at the most expensive elements of the HSR system being required to make them truly useful to CBD travellers. By the time you tack on California's highway needs you've easily topped 70 billion dollars to get them back to a barely adequate transportation system. But with high speed rail you can spend LESS and get much more.

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Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy''

Posted by kp5308 on Fri Mar 16 16:57:07 2012, in response to Re: Romney: ''I'd Get Rid Of Amtrak Subsidy'', posted by WillD on Fri Mar 16 01:31:30 2012.

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Two ::ahem:: Republican governors just happened to kill it and then try to apply the funds from those projects to their highway departments.

Uhhh....their electorate supported the move. Personally I think it would have been helpful but another issue was the strings attached to the money. Tough call. Takes guts to make it either way.

That mostly depends on the outcome of the next election. If the Republicans hold their congressional majority then it'll be 1992 again and we'll kick the high speed rail can another 20 years off into the future. If the Democrats win then it's not exactly certain that HSR will enjoy the widespread notoriety it had three years ago, but the chances are certainly much better for California's project to receive the funding it needs to provide a useful LA-SF service.

HSR has been mortally damaged here because of the way the Administration (& CAHSRA) handled this. All show & no go & really this was soooo easy to predict. And remember the Administration cut HSR funding when the Dems controlled it all because they really don't care. Do I have to post links to the truth on this?

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