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Michael Moore wants "trains, everywhere"

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:46:54 2012

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So saith he via Twitter:

My 2nd Presidential order: Trains. Everywhere.
I don't even think that the Dems would go for such an executive order.

This kinda echoes a nutty narrative he made three years ago:

  1. Announce that we will have bullet trains criss-crossing this country in the next five years. Japan is celebrating the 45th anniversary of its first bullet train this year. Now they have dozens of them. Average speed: 165 mph. Average time a train is late: under 30 seconds. They have had these high speed trains for nearly five decades and we don't even have one! The fact that the technology already exists for us to go from New York to L.A. in 17 hours by train, and that we haven't used it, is criminal. Let's hire the unemployed to build the new high speed lines all over the country. Chicago to Detroit in less than two hours. Miami to DC in under 7 hours. Denver to Dallas in five and a half. This can be done and done now.

  2. Initiate a program to put light rail mass transit lines in all our large and medium-sized cities. Build those trains in the GM factories. And hire local people everywhere to install and run this system.

  3. For people in rural areas not served by the train lines, have the GM plants produce energy efficient clean buses. . . .

Moore seems to not realize that GM was never in the business of building passenger cars, although they did build diesel locomotives (but not in Detroit—in LaGrange IL).

And he does not seem to realize that as far as having the "unemployed" build HSR in some kind of twisted jobs program (the funding for which he fails to identify), the construction workers' unions would never, ever stand for something like that. He also got the average speed of most of the Shinkansen trains wrong . . . (so Chicago-Detroit would be 2:06 if you had a train with an average speed of 145 mph)

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 13:56:46 2012, in response to Michael Moore wants "trains, everywhere", posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:46:54 2012.

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I see you're being anti-transit today....good show! I am sure that will go well with your bow tie as well at the local GOP dinner party.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 14:09:13 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 13:56:46 2012.

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it's not anti-transit, it's anti-spending money that doesn't exist.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 15:39:37 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 13:56:46 2012.

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I see you're being anti-transit today

Don't be silly. You can't be pro-transit by proposing BS like Moore's done.

I am sure that will go well with your bow tie as well at the local GOP dinner party

Partisan BS. I'm an independent. I suspect you're not qualified to vote anywhere due to your mental status . . .

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 15:42:41 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 14:09:13 2012.

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No use arguing with a sick mind. That includes Moore. Imagine the ironworkers' and construction workers' unions' clamor over an executive order trying to force them to take on masses of unemployed people to build high-speed rail projects across the land, or to be pushed aside in favor of such people for jobs that they would regard as theirs . . . ?

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 14 15:48:02 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Mar 14 13:56:46 2012.

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You dumb monkey fucker. It's not about being anti transit. It's about spending money on useless projects. Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? Get it? Eh? Get It? Eh? You monkey fucking loser.



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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 17:42:25 2012, in response to Michael Moore wants "trains, everywhere", posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:46:54 2012.

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Psssst! Aero Train ... by GM ... passenger cars and all ... created back in ... your fabulous 50's! :)



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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Mar 14 17:46:41 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 14:09:13 2012.

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Sure there is. raise taxes on capital gains and high income bloodsuckers and take the Pentagon sacred cow and turn it into a cash cow.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 18:55:52 2012, in response to Michael Moore wants "trains, everywhere", posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:46:54 2012.

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Funny thing is . . .he's right.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Mar 14 20:07:24 2012, in response to Michael Moore wants "trains, everywhere", posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:46:54 2012.

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Moore is further off to the left than Santorum is to the right. Neither of those fucks should be in politics, let alone have any say in how anyone lives their life.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 14 20:11:41 2012, in response to Michael Moore wants "trains, everywhere", posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:46:54 2012.

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We used to get chain gangs for such a task...

I love transit, but it's safer now in a locked car with a carry permit.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 21:35:33 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Mar 14 20:07:24 2012.

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Not quite. If Santorum was as far to the right as Moore is left, then Santorum would be running for the position of king and high priest . . .

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 21:46:01 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 17:42:25 2012.

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I understand those cars rode horribly. Two are saved at Green Bay:


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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 21:48:39 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 17:42:25 2012.

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and the subcontracted Train of Tomorrow which they sent around to promote passenger service. First dome diner, dome sleeper built.

http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/GM/

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 21:51:42 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 17:42:25 2012.

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I wasn't gonna mention toy trains that are really buses. GM did a lot of buses, no doubt.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 21:51:44 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 21:46:01 2012.

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They rode as smoothly as a bus ... on a New Jersey highway ... so I hear. :)

But now we see why GM exited the railcar biz. Heh.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 21:52:13 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 21:46:01 2012.

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so I was told--never tried them. The Rock Island used them in hodge podge commuter trains after they were tried on the Peoria Rocket (paraphrasing an RI exec at the time, and the good people of Peoria drove over to ride the Santa Fe)

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 21:52:30 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 21:48:39 2012.

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Yeah, such big volume when compared to ACF, St. Louis Car Company, Budd, Pullman (Standard) and the rest . . .

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 21:53:50 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 21:48:39 2012.

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I thought Pullman built the cars?

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 21:55:20 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 21:51:42 2012.

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But they put steel wheels on them anyway. :)

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 23:35:19 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 21:53:50 2012.

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Yes, to GM specs, on GM's nickel.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 15 10:27:36 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 21:35:33 2012.

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Uhm, that's what I said. Moore is further to the left than Santorum is to the right.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 11:38:59 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 15 10:27:36 2012.

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That's a great deal further off, though. I don't see Santorum wanting to abolish the establishment clause of the First Amendment and setting up the Pope in Rome as the head of religion here . . .

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 15 12:04:55 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 11:38:59 2012.

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You don't? Did you miss this?


TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. -- Former senator Rick Santorum defended his comment that President John F. Kennedy's 1960 speech about the importance of the separation of religion from government "makes him throw up."



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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 15 14:08:22 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 18:55:52 2012.

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Yep.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 14:21:03 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 18:55:52 2012.

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He's right that he wants it?

We've already got trains everywhere. They're freight trains, but they're pretty much everywhere, even in spite of Conjob . . .

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 14:22:21 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 14 21:46:01 2012.

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They look scary enough.

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Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere''

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:43:51 2012, in response to Re: Michael Moore wants ''trains, everywhere'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 14:21:03 2012.

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Trivial non-response.

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