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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 06:15:43 2012 One of my guys was on the train and survived ... sent some pictures.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17248735 His personal account: - locomotive - 2 wagons from 1st class - 1 restaurant wagon - 2 wagons from 2nd class Locomotive + 2 first class wagons are wasted, and many ppl died there. His pics (he was in second class because tickets were sold out for first class ... both first class cars were destroyed and had the fatalities. Needless to say, he's quite happy he survived) ...  
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Posted by Dave on Sun Mar 4 07:16:51 2012, in response to Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 06:15:43 2012. DAMN! He's a lucky man. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 4 11:28:05 2012, in response to Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 06:15:43 2012. Holy shit, lucky bastard! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 4 13:18:16 2012, in response to Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 06:15:43 2012. Gotta love those tier -1 European crash worthiness standards. XDFrom what I can gather it sounds like a single track dispatching problem as opposed to a passed signal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 15:46:28 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Dave on Sun Mar 4 07:16:51 2012. Yeah, he hit church as soon as he got to the village. :)Shook up badly, treated for a concussion, but otherwise all in one piece. Vaclev is one of our KNOS coders. Glad we didn't lose him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 15:50:47 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 4 11:28:05 2012. Indeed ... and all because he couldn't get a ticket for first class. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 15:51:53 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 4 13:18:16 2012. He said that they were wrong-railing because there was a track crew out on the other one. Not sure since he's still not home yet, but I believe they're still using the blue and white signals over there. Never could figure out the logic of visibility for blue/white signalling ... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 4 16:09:55 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 15:51:53 2012. is it truly blue/white or are there "positions"? I believe the origin of PRR PL signals came after a red/green misread in foul weather. B&O. N&W, WAB, C&A, SIRT all adopted various forms of Color Position Light systems for extra legibilty. Back when these systems were deployed RRs were not as rigorous in medical pre employment as later. (In the 60s IC would not even take an application from anyone w/glasses for train service) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 16:45:17 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 4 16:09:55 2012. Not sure ... my only awareness of the Polish signalling system dates back to the Mechanik train simulator. At that time I asked someone over there if the blue/white signals were accurate and they said "da" ... didn't ask for any further details ... |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 4 18:39:37 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 15:51:53 2012. Most of Poland's signaling is either whatever the Soviet color light standard was or the former German style mechanical system where re-signaling had not yet taken place. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 18:42:28 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 4 18:39:37 2012. Given that this is the intercity line north out of Krakow, I would imagine whatever signalling existed would be more modern than other lines. Haven't heard from Vaclev yet today, and he's not a train buff, but will ask when I hear from him ... |
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Re: Polish train wreck PKP Signal aspects |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 4 19:03:44 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 18:42:28 2012. http://grzegorj.private.pl/kolej/signals.html |
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Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 4 19:11:30 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck PKP Signal aspects, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 4 19:03:44 2012. http://jareks.zonk.pl/signal/main.htm |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 19:21:45 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 4 13:18:16 2012. I have no idea of the combine crash speed, but compare this to the VIA Rail wreck last week in which an LRC car hit a building and they were going 67MPH. It probably totalled it, but just a few injuries were very serious, nothing like this. |
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Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 19:36:31 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 4 19:11:30 2012. Sounds like the blues and whites are only for shunting now, but not on that main. Thanks! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 19:37:18 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 19:21:45 2012. This was a headon ... each heading towards each other at 110 kph ... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 19:43:19 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 19:37:18 2012. 110kmh each is total crash force of 137MPH.That would be pretty bloody here too, something like Amtrak/Conrail at Chase. If anybody had occupied the first Amcoach, they'd all be dead. |
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Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 4 19:50:52 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 19:36:31 2012. The blue seems to be used in a manner somewhat similiar to how it's used here. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 19:54:34 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 19:43:19 2012. I assume both trains were dumped before they met and crush speed was a lot lower ... the damage was pretty severe though. 350 souls on board, 16 dead so far and a lot of injuries. The locomotives were obliterated. |
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Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 19:59:42 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck MORE PKP Signal aspects, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 4 19:50:52 2012. I'll have to guess ... green and orange are better road colors. :) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 4 20:07:29 2012, in response to Polish train wreck, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 06:15:43 2012. Wow...pretty intense pics. Glad to hear ya boy got out alive :o) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 4 20:14:13 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 4 20:07:29 2012. Heard from him last night a few hours after it, haven't heard back since. Yeah, it was a rough ride for him but he's still with us at least. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon Mar 5 19:22:45 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 19:43:19 2012. How do you figure? A head on at 110 km/h is the same as a crash into a fixed object at 110km/h assuming both trains weigh about the same. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 5 19:35:40 2012, in response to Re: Polish train wreck, posted by merrick1 on Mon Mar 5 19:22:45 2012. This might help: Both trains were doing 110 km/h towards each other when they saw each other's lights ... |
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