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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 15:20:20 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. so in court she can prove if the leg was really injured or if she just made up the story.Cops are not suppose to take excuses for wrong doings, they are there to enforce the law as writen, not as interpreted. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Mar 3 15:25:34 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. Meanwhile there are bums on the train driving everyone out of a car because of their stench and they haven't been forcibly removed....More like just quota filling by the cops. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Mar 3 15:41:16 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. NYCRR 1050.7Disorderly Conduct No person on or in any facility or conveyance shall: 10. (1) occupy more than one seat on a station, platform or conveyance when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the Authority's transit system or the comfort of other passengers; (2) place his or her foot on a seat on a station, platform or conveyance; (3) lie on the floor, platform, stairway, landing or conveyance; or (4) block free movement on a station, stairway, platform or conveyance. IF the summons is written for occupying more than one seat like the person said, it can technically be overturned actually, since the comfort of other passengers was a non-factor, and I doubt very much that her putting her foot on a seat would interfere with a train's operation. But since she also placed her foot on a seat (which is not allowed as per paragraph 2), her results could vary. She has some ground to fight the ticket, but IDK if the kangaroo court can overturn a techicality... |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 16:17:18 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Mar 3 15:41:16 2012. She put her foot ON the seat of a conveyance in violation of section 2. No technicality involved. If she had stepped in dog poo (as Mike Rowe says) or mud, or some other foreign matter and the next person to occupy that seat was someone coming home from the prom, or a nice night out and sat in it, who gets the $50 cleaning bill? |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 16:19:49 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by grand concourse on Sat Mar 3 15:25:34 2012. driving everyone out of a car because of their stench and they haven't been forcibly removed....They CAN'T be forcibly removed. They are excercising their "Freedom of Expression". Because they are expressing their disdain from bathing is no means for removing them from the system.... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 16:21:44 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. The officer writes the ticket, the judge interprets the circumstances and renders a judgment.As for the sleeping stinking bums, perhaps if an officer saw one of these he would go to a different car to. Do you know how much trouble it is to round those creatures up? You cannot just give them a ticket, but you have to take them in and ruin a perfectly good squad car while doing it, not to mention grossing out everybody else in the station house or jail. ROAR |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 16:22:59 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 16:21:44 2012. Heck, I heard even LIONS wouldn't eat them!STILL LOL@A MISSED MEAL |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 16:37:23 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 16:22:59 2012. This is true.There is a youtube of a RAT running up on one of these skells, but he too ran away as fast as he could. ROAR |
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Posted by piyer on Sat Mar 3 16:59:23 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. The police are at 36th Street every weekend without fail. I pass through there every early Saturday and Sunday around 3:30 / 4am on the way work. You can have the homeless occupying a 4-seat area at the end of the car with their shopping cart and possessions and the officers with ignore them.But if one of those prom / party goers is sleeping or passed out on more than one "seat" (bit harder to define on NTT blue benches) out comes the baton or folding stick and BANG-BANG-BANG on the grab poles to wake them up. Sometimes sitting up is enough, but others they'll do to them what they did to Ms. Wilson up there. The same level of police presence - sometimes up to 6 officers - happens on the A/C/F platforms at Jay Street, the platforms at DeKalb Avenue, and at Atlantic Avenue. Honestly, it feels like I see more police on the trains at night than I do during the day. I don't believe that they are out there strictly to fill ticket quotas, but writing them is one way to justify their seemingly expanded presence at night. That's my 2-cents. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 17:58:12 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Mar 3 15:41:16 2012. But since she also placed her foot on a seat (which is not allowed as per paragraph 2), her results could vary.What she should have done is put her leg up but have her foot hang off of the edge of the seat... in this way she is neither violating the letter or spirit of the law. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 17:59:11 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 15:20:20 2012. Cops are not suppose to take excuses for wrong doings, they are there to enforce the law as writen, not as interpreted.Like Robots? Fine. Then they should do this to all of the homeless people as well, and a cop should be fined $50 for failing to enforce the law against certain individuals, with the person reporting it getting the $50. |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 3 18:00:39 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by grand concourse on Sat Mar 3 15:25:34 2012. +1 |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 3 18:02:25 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. Asshole cops just wanted to meet their quota. Heaven forbid if she was mugged while walking home because of this stupidity. This is why no one respects cops. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Mar 3 18:34:02 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 16:19:49 2012. They are a 'quality of life' problem. And from a financial out look, that 1 bum taking up one car prevents 50~ people from getting to their destination. and not to mention the amount of cleaning needed to clean up the 'stain' they leave behind.Lawyers that are so adamant to keep those bums in the system should 'adopt a bum' by bringing one to their apartments for a week and see how long they'd like to put up with them. |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 3 18:35:28 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 16:19:49 2012. That's not true. At the New York Public Library, people with an offensive odor can be prohibited from entering. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:02:49 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 15:20:20 2012. The cops should all be suspended for 2 weeks - it was harassment, and she ought to sue.No one was prevented form sitting down and they ought to have other things to do at 1am. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:05:00 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 16:21:44 2012. So they bully an easy target rather than round-up bums.Lazy good for nothing pigs. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 19:40:36 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:02:49 2012. has nothing to do with preventing people to sit down. Cops are just enforcing the law as their suppose to do . |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 20:05:46 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 19:40:36 2012. Then they can choose to enforce laws that make a difference rather than fulfill quotas like robots. If they want to act like robots, pay them minimum wage.This is like pulling someone over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Mar 3 20:38:45 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:05:00 2012. So they bully an easy target rather than round-up bums.Lazy good for nothing pigs. It's like the way the Suffolk County police spent weeks raiding several Asian massage parlors and busting about 25 women. Basically a victimless "crime," yet the cops give it more priority than rounding up drug dealers. That's because they are cowards. The women at the massage parlors are not dangerous. Drug dealers can be. So the cops ignore the drug dealers. My blog |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 20:48:03 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by grand concourse on Sat Mar 3 18:34:02 2012. The lawyers don't HAVE to put up with them. THAT's society's job!STILL LOL@BOTTOMFEEDERS |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 20:54:26 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 3 18:35:28 2012. New York Public Library website (http://www.nypl.org/help/about-nypl)states: It is special also in being historically a privately managed, nonprofit corporation with a public missionKeyword: Privately Managed. THEY make their rules, not as a public authority, and can therefore grant admissions or ejections for the good of the "Patrons Of The Library". |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 20:58:04 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 20:05:46 2012. This is like pulling someone over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit.Isn't that breaking the law? The Law doesn't deal in degrees. "Only my bumper was in the bus stop! Stop writing that ticket!" is no different than "My leg was hurt so I put just my ass on this seat and my foot on that one." Like the saying goes : Tell it to the judge! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 3 21:08:05 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:02:49 2012. Suspended for what? For doing their job? Although there are two sides to every story I admit that was an unnecesary summons, but it WAS legal and not harassment. Unfortunately it was from pressure from up above to produce numbers so that the high bosses can justify themselves at Comstat. This was all started by that idiot Giulliani. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 3 21:15:47 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 3 21:08:05 2012. Sounds like conservative disease. :) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 21:42:23 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 20:58:04 2012. ha ha Its ok officer, yes I robbed the bank, but those people did not need the money now .... |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 22:19:24 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 3 21:42:23 2012. Dats right, officer. Dis is one a' dem banks dat wuz bailed out wit my tax dollars, so its ok! |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 4 08:57:46 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 3 18:02:25 2012. It's bullshit. I remember I was taking the R a few months ago and it was 8 a.m. and I got ticketed for the exact same reason. The train had a seated load for what it was worth, but it wasn't SRO. The cop pulled me off the train @ 36th Street and I had to wait 30 minutes for the next (R) train because there were some (R)s dropping out at 59th Street and I had to go to 86th. Hopefully that cop is no longer breathing lol |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 4 10:23:05 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 20:58:04 2012. Except at TAB, there is no such thing as a "fair, impartial hearing". IINM, they have a conviction rate above 90%, and I'm certain those Admin Law Judges are "encouraged" to bring in a certain amount of tickets guilty, no matter what, just as the NYPD does with the Compstat system mentioned by Jeff Rosen. It's not a quota, it's a "productivity goal". |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 4 11:14:57 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Mar 3 22:19:24 2012. Lolllllllllllllllll, too funny! But hey, my tax dollars were put into use too, so that's my money too! Share the wealth, will ya???STILL LOL@BAILOUTS |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 4 15:17:20 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. We have heard stories like this before and, sadly, we will be hearing more similar stories in the future. These cops have quotas and they will write their own mothers to fufill them. Quotas come from #1PP and are filtered down the chain of command. Same with Stop-and-Frisk. Eventually you will find someone with a weapon or narcotics! Moral of the story: stop/frisk=good arrest stats and ticket quotas=$$$. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 4 15:40:33 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 4 15:17:20 2012. The cops have jobs to do, and if they don't some other jackjass will report them for not doing their job or favoring the white lady.The cops are there, not for entertainment, but to follow the letter of the law as writen. She is free to take it up with the judge, or see it legal way and pay the ticket. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 4 16:42:12 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 4 15:40:33 2012. The cops have quotas, pure and simple. I have heard that from lots of NYPD cops, active and retired. When your sgt is up your ass (like his lieut is up his!) to produce, your are gonna write people like this lady. Quotas have always existed in the NYPD, believe me! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 4 17:54:30 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 4 16:42:12 2012. shit I have quoatas on my job as has every job, its called performance guidelines. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 4 20:51:43 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. I get a laugh out of all the neophytes who think they know the law or how the cop should have reacted. I'll be willing to bet that the cop probrably told her to put her leg down and then the whiny hipster just HAD to ask the cop why he had the audacity to tell her that when the train car was almost empty. After that, she got a summons. I know the type very well.BTW for the record I personally wouldn't have ticketed her. I would have ejected her IF she gave me lip. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 4 20:58:25 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 4 17:54:30 2012. Very rare that I agree with Dutchrailnut but I do give credit where credit is due: EXCELLENT POST!! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 5 06:42:36 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 3 18:35:28 2012. Can you find that in writing please? I want to print that out and carry it with me. So when a smelly person gets in my operating car I can recite to RCC over the radio. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Mar 5 14:49:50 2012, in response to Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 3 15:14:57 2012. If the MTA wants revenue so badly why can't you just buy a monthly or yearly relaxation pass for off-peak trains?Of course a better solution would be to make individual police officers individually liable every time a ticket they issue is thrown out of court. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Mar 5 15:33:54 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 4 15:40:33 2012. And that's the problem some of these people don't realize:We are in a society where unfortunately, if you say allowed it in this case and then in another where a train is much more crowded and the seats are actually needed someone is told the seats are needed and is written up, the person(s) who is(are) written up for it could take it the wrong way and get those who are simply looking for an excuse to bring attention to themselves involved even though such people will make it look like they are "helping" the person who was "wronged" in the latter case. The cops are simply in a "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" situation and it will be unpopular with whichever way it doesn't work out no matter what in situations like that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:59:24 2012, in response to Re: Her agony of de-feet ! Runner’s outrage over ticket on empty train, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Mar 5 14:49:50 2012. The cops followed the letter of the law, not the purpose, which is not to make people stand. They decided to be robots, not use common sense, and turn this into a ticket quota scheme.The remark they made "lucky we don't cuff you" ought to get it thrown out, if not a brutality suit. |
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