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Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jan 30 23:20:46 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:23:57 2012. Exactly. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 23:25:52 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 29 22:18:20 2012. 63rd Street is not a realistic option. What part of that is so hard to comprehend? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 23:55:36 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 23:25:52 2012. For you maybe. It is an option for many others. What part of that is so hard to comprehend? :p |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 31 00:06:42 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 23:25:52 2012. Its realistic to me and others that use it..its function is being served in the capacity it was built for..rail rapid transit between Queens,Manhattan and the little island in the East river it crosses under. What part of THIS is beyond YOUR comprehension..? Its was designed as a another East River Crossing with many options,of which several are/have been carried out..including the present route of the IND 6TH AVENUE F LINE..the Future route of the BMT BROADWAY Q LINE...and the LONG ISLAND RAILROAD's new terminal under Grand Central.. Whether the "present routing" of the F or E is not to your liking does matter to me..complain to the MTA about it see if they'll hook you up with Another E SPECIAL or diverted F to Archer. |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 00:07:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 31 00:06:42 2012. Whatever...I'm done with this thread. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 00:13:22 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Outside the Box on Mon Jan 30 20:12:05 2012. Assuming they are compatible, it's easier to take a B car out of a five-car set and insert them on CBTC capable R143 and R160 sets. If they aren't, order B cars for this. There probably aren't enough five-car sets that can spare one of their B cars anyway.More money? Yes, but much less than going to ten-car sets and lengthening the platforms. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 00:43:58 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 19:03:21 2012. That's why the Brooklyn F is more crowded than the Queens F.While it can get real bad when there are massive delays (most likely originating in Queens), under normal situations the Brooklyn F doesn't get as crowded as the Queens side. You don't hear people at York, East Broadway, Delancey or Second Av. complaining about crowdedness as much as Roosevelt Islanders. Part of it is the difference in mentality but most of it is actual statistics. When Park Slope and Caroll Gardens people asked for a V extension to Church Av., the TA looked at the ridership and saw that there wasn't enough demand for another service. The Brooklyn F only had 16-18tph because the Queens side needed them. Ridership went up for sure, but I can still have some room to breathe when getting on at Second Av. during morning rush. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 00:48:42 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jan 30 19:05:37 2012. That's where ATO could bring more frequency without having to dig tail tracks but NYCT wants terminal areas to be operated manually so go ahead and dig! |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 00:49:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 00:43:58 2012. It had nothing to do with demand-there was clearly demand for additonal Culver service. The Culver Viaduct project, however, precluded that. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jan 31 00:54:05 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 00:07:23 2012. Yeah and the next thread that mentions 63rd Street you're gonna jump right into it.Watch. |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 01:02:14 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jan 31 00:54:05 2012. nope |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 31 01:31:11 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 00:49:38 2012. No. If that were the case, they would have never created the orange M, in order to allow the V to be extended in the future. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jan 31 02:09:59 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 29 02:12:33 2012. Is it possible for the TA to squeeze two more trains an hour to Jamaica-Parsons? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 31 07:35:21 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 17:56:46 2012. I don't think the ever expected the V to go to South Brooklyn. That was something talked about here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 31 07:38:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 09:01:42 2012. Queens Blvd portion of the line already has Manhattan service. The R train. The Eastern Division portion of the M only has shuttle service on the weekends, and most commutes on weekend require three trains. Shittle-to J-to some other line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 31 07:41:47 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jan 31 02:09:59 2012. I don't believe so. That's why some E trains go to Hillside, as Parsons doesn't even have enough to handle all E service, much less add some of the F's. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 31 07:55:57 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 00:43:58 2012. Hey, I agree that the Brooklyn F isn't the worst ride in the world. That said, it seems to me that the choke point on the F isn't at any of the lower manhattan stops, but at Jay, where people get off for downtown bklyn or take the A/C. If you swap the E and F, now Culver will only have 12 tph. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 31 07:59:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 31 01:31:11 2012. By that logic, they shouldn't have extended the Q to Astoria. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 31 08:11:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 31 07:55:57 2012. ....That would also give Jay St two 8th Ave services as opposed to a 6th and an 8th Ave service. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 09:03:17 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 31 07:55:57 2012. Plenty of people transfer from the A/C to the F too. It's not that the number of F riders diminishes much at Jay. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 09:08:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 00:49:38 2012. What part of "the TA looked at the ridership and saw that there wasn't enough demand for another service." you don't understand?I'm not giving my personal observation or opinion here. Just statistics gathered by the TA planning. Don't you think that's a more trustworthy source than your eyes or mine? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jan 31 09:09:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 01:02:14 2012. Yeah ok think what you want to think Mr. Hater-of-Self. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 09:12:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 31 07:35:21 2012. Actually, the TA looked into it (they had to satisfy those people) then came back with ridership figures not worth doing it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 31 09:27:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jan 31 09:12:07 2012. The thing is, it would be a duplicate service. While it would provide more trains, and some people would skip a few stations with the express, the truth is, all it would be would be duplicate 6th Ave local service, leading to duplicate Queens Blvd service (of which I doubt there are a lot of people riding all the way through to Queens from South Brooklyn. So it's basically two 6th Ave local trains serving the same south brooklyn area.Sending the V (in the form of the M)to Metropolitan actually adds a service to Midtown to an area that hasn't had it, making the V different from the F in Manhattan, as opposed to just a duplicate train going to the same place (even if skipping a few stations). |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Jan 31 10:30:53 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 31 07:59:03 2012. +1 |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 31 14:03:23 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 21:29:04 2012. It worked on the Culver and West End lines so the Bway Bkln Line shouldn't present that much of a problem. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 31 14:04:51 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Outside the Box on Mon Jan 30 20:12:05 2012. They could put CCTV monitors on the trains like Philly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 1 12:53:20 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 31 14:03:23 2012. I didn't say "the Broadway Brooklyn line" would present much of a problem, I SAID the Myrtle Bway station could cause the ONLY problem on the line. You have the interlocking on one side of the station, in which you could not extend towards. You didn't have that problem at the express stations on the "Culver and West End" lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 1 18:24:48 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 1 12:53:20 2012. Kings Highway/Culver, Bay Pky and 62 St West End. The last 2 were extended north away from the interlockings and towers at the S/E of the stations. K Hwy was also extended north away from the tower and AFAIK, the switches N/O K Hwy were extended after the platforms were extended. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Feb 2 18:17:00 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 31 14:04:51 2012. Some of the trains in Paris and Tokyo also have platform monitors in the cab. But is there room for a third monitor on the R143/160 (which already have two in use)? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Feb 2 21:00:50 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Feb 2 18:17:00 2012. A third monitor could be added somewhere near the top of the vision glass off to one side as it is on the SEPTA M/F cars. |
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