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Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 26 22:13:59 2012, in response to MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 21:16:38 2012. It sounds as the major bone of contention here is the Bedford Avenue station. Bedford Avenue entrance is full time; Driggs Avenue entrance (last time I looked) was still part-time. Some of the other stops have single entrances as well (Grand, Graham, Montrose) but none are as heavily-used as Bedford is.wayne |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 27 07:57:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 26 22:13:59 2012. Larry's making it big time in his own way. Wonder if Moe is getting jealous... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jan 27 09:17:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 27 07:57:38 2012. Nah, if anyone should be jealous it would be Curly - since Moe started running on 6 Avenue, things have been a whole lot different on that line. Next step for Moshe would be to elevate him to weekend service, something which could really help along Queens Blvd and on the 53 St portion of the line.wayne |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 27 13:18:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jan 27 09:17:03 2012. Nrrrmmmmpppphhhhh!!!!Curly has become a victim of soicumstance. Of course, once in Queens, Moe becomes McGillicuddy - Lucy's maiden name. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 13:22:47 2012, in response to MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 21:16:38 2012. This is likely impossible, but if they could widen the platform at Lexington/53rd then there would be no excuse for the F running on 63rd. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 14:46:08 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 13:22:47 2012. There is an excuse for running the F on 63 and that is to provide a consistent full time service from Queens along the 63 St corridor. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 14:51:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 14:46:08 2012. wrong |
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Posted by Mike Cruz on Fri Jan 27 14:54:40 2012, in response to MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 21:16:38 2012. Maybe this guy won't be half bad? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 15:48:47 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 14:51:38 2012. Then what service would YOU run through 63 St? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 27 15:53:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 14:51:38 2012. You'd never get it. Would you?If you don't show the least respect to people respected by others, you'd never ever gain respect from others. Randyo, with his long time experience with NYCT should never deserve the disrespectful one-word reply you just made. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 27 16:21:27 2012, in response to MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 21:16:38 2012. No mention of ten-car platforms? |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 16:35:41 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 15:48:47 2012. What's on 63rd Street? It's not like it's a major destination. Besides Hunter College (which is blocks away) and Bloomingdales, there's nothing in the immediate vicinity. |
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Posted by vfrt on Fri Jan 27 16:46:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 13:22:47 2012. Not impossible, but an extremely complicated and expensive project.1-push out station outer walls. 2-lay new tracks against new outer walls 3-widen platforms over old tracks. Would cost billion$ that isn't there now and never will be. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jan 27 17:12:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 16:35:41 2012. So you have no plan? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 27 17:21:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 13:22:47 2012. Fix all of the escalators, so to evacuate the station faster, would help.Extend the platforms on the Myrtle Ave, and Broadway El, to ten cars. Now, a full length "M" could add a 20% increase to is carrying capacity. Better yet, stretch them to 660Ft, and remove the structures from the platform along Queens BLVD, and 6Th Ave, and you get a 30% increase. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 27 17:23:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 16:35:41 2012. You are completely unaware of the fact is that the FTA TOLD the TA to run a full-time service on 63rd Street, or forfeit what was given to them by UMTA to build it. The TA would have been glad to leave the F train where it was and ru nthe V there, but could not. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 17:45:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 16:35:41 2012. You're still bent up out of shape over the (F) via 63rd, aren't you?What's so hard about TRANSFERRING, or God forbid, exit the station and WALK? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 17:47:46 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 27 17:23:55 2012. That's not really the point. MTA could've run the V through 63rd and rerouted the F when it wasn't running. OR, they could've made the V the full-time 6th ave/QB route and ran it through 63rd. However, running the F through 63 offers distinct advantages. For one, there are some people at local stations between Roosevelt and Forest Hills that will now take the M. Also, anyone bound for 53rd can now take a less crowded train. Basically, putting the F on 63rd and the M/V on 53rd split the two most popular routes up: 6th ave QB express and 53rd. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 17:50:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 17:45:03 2012. He could also take the local, which is, on a good day, only 5 mins slower than the express, and on a BAD day, on par with the express. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 17:54:08 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 17:47:46 2012. Well stated. I couldn't agree any more. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 17:55:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 17:50:09 2012. THANK YOU!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way! |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 18:55:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 13:22:47 2012. What's the problem with running the F on 63rd Street? My home station is 169th Street on the F and I've never noticed any problem with the F running on 63rd Street. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 19:02:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 17:55:01 2012. Plenty of people feel like that. One of my coworkers avoids the express like the plague, even though the E would drop him off a block away from our building. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:10:20 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 17:45:03 2012. I like how people who don't use the Queens Blvd lines always put their two cents into this debate. Still, after over 10 years it's time to concede defeat and accept a ridiculous service pattern. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:12:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 18:55:28 2012. There is no real transfer between the F and Lexington Avenue line, no transfer to the G, the F circumvents the East Side business district and stops at useless stations like Roosevelt Island (which is only useful when I want to ride the tram) and 21st/Queensbridge. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 19:12:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:10:20 2012. You can keep calling it ridiculous. Professionals with far more experience and access to far more data would disagree with you though. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 19:23:21 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 19:02:23 2012. Exactly. I'm not fighting to get into a crowded express train. If I'm early enough I take a local anyway. I've been taking locals over expresses for years. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 19:24:33 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:12:28 2012. Queensbridge houses is the largest housing project in city. Lots of people live there and have places to go. When you get right down to it there isn't much near Queens Plaza.Roosevelt Island is also a populous residential neighborhood. There is an outside transfer to the Lex. at 59th Street. The transfer from the E to the 6 is not particularly convenient. Up a long escalator. Through a long passageway. If you want the downtown 6 you have to go down and up. The north entrances to the 59th Street station are are at 60th Street, three short blocks away from 63rd. You can also get the express at 59th Street. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 19:25:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 19:24:33 2012. Oh noes, you said the 'P' word.... |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:25:59 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 19:23:21 2012. I agree, but let people make that choice on their own volition. Don't force it on them. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:27:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 19:24:33 2012. The "transfer" at Lexington/63rd is even longer. From the platform level to the street level alone is 5-10 minutes on the escalators. That's not including the three block walk in the exposed elements. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 19:29:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:25:59 2012. I's complicated, I understand. It's just like the (M)/(V) thing from last year. Do I like it? No. But sometimes you just have to go with the flow and deal with it. I've grown indifferent to the service pattern that's present now. I've grown that way towards a lot of things.Things change and over time we have no choice but to adapt to change. Not a great comparison but if those before us didn't adapt to change then a lot of us wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. Just food for thought. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 20:25:45 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 26 22:13:59 2012. Don't they short turn rush hour trains at Myrtle/Wyckoff? If they do, they need more, especially in the AM rush. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 20:46:08 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 20:25:45 2012. I think that's midday trains. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 20:55:24 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 20:46:08 2012. But none in the AM rush when they are needed the most? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 21:02:00 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 20:55:24 2012. I think those trains drop out at Broadway Junction. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 21:07:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 26 22:13:59 2012. They need to construct a short turn track, east of Bedford or Lorimer, like the one east of Myrtle/Wyckoff. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 21:10:36 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 21:02:00 2012. Why not run some between Myrtle/Wyckoff and 14/8 during the AM rush. And during the AM rush, you could have them run light back to Myrtle/Wyckoff. It's better then what is going on now! |
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Posted by FarRock on Fri Jan 27 21:38:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 20:25:45 2012. Those short turn trains in the AM are actually layups to . |
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Posted by FarRock on Fri Jan 27 21:39:25 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by FarRock on Fri Jan 27 21:38:43 2012. CANARSIE Yard |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 22:09:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 16:35:41 2012. thats not answering the question.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 22:11:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jan 27 17:47:46 2012. The F was planned to operate through it from the very beginning...that and the Archer line down to Springfield Blvd..so the MTA did really deviate from that..much. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 22:12:51 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:25:59 2012. wrong answer.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 22:17:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:12:28 2012. my..now that's some selfish line of thinking you got going on there..and you wonder why you get ragged on.. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 23:29:06 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 27 19:29:34 2012. I actually like the M via 6th Avenue. That's not the issue. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 28 00:16:02 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 21:10:36 2012. They do have trains originating at Myrtle-Wyckoff in the AM rush. Not too many but they do. The one leaving around 8am is the favorite train of Bushwick/Ridgewood parents who send their kids to East Village elementary public schools. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 28 00:25:21 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 16:35:41 2012. You're forgetting it also serves 57/6. Plenty of offices around there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 28 04:57:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Fri Jan 27 19:25:59 2012. And the current service pattern gives that choice:Local via 53rd Express vía 53rd Local via 6th Express vía 6th |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 28 05:04:33 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 19:24:33 2012. Despite the inconvenience of the transfer at 53rd, the transfer at 63rd is admittedly much worse: It's outdoors, requires even more escalator riding and three times the walk (the end of the 6 platform is at 52nd, the passageway is about one block long).Also, 21st and Roosevelt are useless to people coming from the rest of Queens. The E and F should be swapped. . .At their east ends. The E should go to 179th and the F to Parsons/Archer. |
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