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Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 13:11:14 2012

This month's meeting minutes from December 2011 Transit Committee board meeting.....

fuck
R-211, blah

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Jan 25 18:28:32 2012, in response to Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 13:11:14 2012.

I presume these will be A division cars?

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 18:37:36 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Jan 25 18:28:32 2012.

No, B-division. Replacing the entire fleet of R-46 cars.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by PATHman on Wed Jan 25 18:50:13 2012, in response to Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 13:11:14 2012.

Let me guess: another monotonous NTT with periwinkle seats and overly bright flourescent lights?

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 25 19:07:14 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by PATHman on Wed Jan 25 18:50:13 2012.

I'm hoping for 75' with transverse seating.

We need an R46 2.0.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by R211 on Wed Jan 25 19:47:03 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 25 19:07:14 2012.

I will be my own subway car.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jan 26 00:27:21 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by PATHman on Wed Jan 25 18:50:13 2012.

You might be surprised.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by WillD on Thu Jan 26 01:46:09 2012, in response to Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 13:11:14 2012.

Expand the number of proposers? IOW write an RFP such that Breda, CAF, and the "North Korean" carbuilder who 'produced' the Berlin D cars that wound up in Pyongyang can all bid on them?

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:45:36 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 25 19:07:14 2012.



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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:47:20 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 18:37:36 2012.

A good decade away, so no way were gonna know the specifics for a while.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 13:01:44 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:47:20 2012.

Its actually a good timing to prepared to replace the R-46 cars since they are approaching 40 years old in a few years away. Unlike the the current situation of the R-32 and R-42's that are still running.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 26 13:05:39 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 25 19:07:14 2012.

And five doors...

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 14:27:23 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 25 19:07:14 2012.

It looks for the foreseeable future that the 75 ft concept is an idea whose time has come and gone at least as far as the NYCT is concerned.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 14:29:24 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by PATHman on Wed Jan 25 18:50:13 2012.

Some of the R-160s appear to have LED light fixtures instead of fluorescents. Some of the newer buses also have them. The lights on those vehicles have a slightly bluer cast than standard fluorescents.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 14:39:29 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 13:01:44 2012.

The R46's can run for another 10 years easily if they are properly cared for. Since the R179 won't be here until 2017, I doubt we'll see any R211's before 2020, at the earliest.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by monorail on Thu Jan 26 14:40:48 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 26 13:05:39 2012.

2 for the ends, 1 on each side...

where would the fifth door be?

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Jace on Thu Jan 26 15:04:33 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 14:39:29 2012.

2017? I think you're off by a couple of years. It's usually about 3 years from signing to production delivery.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Outside the Box on Fri Jan 27 01:20:01 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by monorail on Thu Jan 26 14:40:48 2012.

They should consider 67' length cars with 5 pairs of doors per side. Montreal Metro has cars that are 55' long 8'-2.5" wide that have 4 pair per side. The Canarsie Line could use them in 8 car trains to max out BMT Eastern Division platform infrastructure while retaining truck and car count. 603' 9 car consists could fit 600' BMT Southern Division and 600' and 660' IND platforms.

If you have advanced door controls (specifically with selective door control), trains can operate safely with parts of the first and/or last car can be beyond the platform footprint. A 670' train could safely operate at Roosevelt Island and BMT Culver Elevated with some of the doors in the first and last cars remaining closed while having all doors open at 74st-Roosevelt Ave and 6th Ave stations.

Another design to consider would be 60'-67' rapid transit cars with 45'-54' truck centers, featuring wide covered vestibules similar to those in Bombardier Movia series metro rail cars. They would allow a few more people to fit on a train in the space between cars otherwise left unused. An odor control door could be an option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movia

Having covered vestibules may make it feasible to run trains much longer than platform length. Long distance riders would use the first or last car. For instance, subway riders from the Bronx and Upper Manhattan heading to Brooklyn would ride (and maybe get a seat in) the more spacious beyond the platform cars until they get to Lower Manhattan. They can then safely prewalk the train for their exit station stair location while in motion.

Less technically advanced would be 60' rail cars like the R160, but with traverse seats (single back against the wall, 4 in pairs traverse back to back, and another single against the wall) instead of bench seats. That would have the same number of seats but save some space near the doors (11" wide spaces adjacent to each door of the pairs of side doors) for people to stand there but not block the doorway. That would widen the effective doorway in real world operation, speed up train boarding and alighting, cut station dwell time, and improve peak hr reliability and capacity.

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Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 01:30:14 2012, in response to Re: Just a little information on the R-211 subway car order, posted by Outside the Box on Fri Jan 27 01:20:01 2012.

im cool with the 67ft car..with proper truck placement it could work over on the eastern lines..


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