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Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011

No, not the commuter rail out of Grand Central Terminal (and besides, that's hyphenated). This is one of the lines of the proposed "metro" system that Dublin, Ireland has dithered on for about ¾-century. Costs rose to about $7.18 billion for a line that's only 10¼ miles long (that's $700½ million per mile, and only 6.2 miles of that was supposed to be in a tunnel).

Irish Independent

Costly Metro North finally hits buffers

By DANIEL McCONNELL—EXCLUSIVE
Sunday July 24 2011
Metro North will not proceed and is "no longer viable" given its huge cost, according to a number of senior government sources.

While officially no decision has been taken, several senior government sources have said that in light of "significant cuts" to capital spending, the €5-billion pet project of former Transport Minister Noel Dempsey is not viable.

Speaking to this newspaper yesterday, Finance Minister Michael Noonan confirmed that December's Budget would contain significant cuts to both current and capital spending, but was keen to stress that no decision had been taken on this specific project.

A full review of the capital spending program is under way and will be completed in September, after which a decision will be made on which of the four projects — Metro North, DART underground, DART airport and link-up of the two Luas lines — will go ahead.

"No decision has been taken; all of these things will be decided once the Comprehensive Spending Review is completed, but there will be significant cuts on the capital spending side in the Budget," Noonan said.

His colleague and the line minister in charge, Transport Minister Leo Varadkar, also insisted last week that no final decision had been made, but there was a growing acceptance at senior government level that Metro North would not proceed.

"Clearly there is no hope of this thing going ahead. Just watch this space; the review will come out and Metro North will be gone. We simply can't afford it and we don't need it. They will find another way to link the airport by rail, either by Luas or by DART," said a senior government source.

"No final decision will be made until the National Development Plan is published in September. All the projects on the table have a lot of merit, but the key issue will be affordability," Varadkar told the Sunday Independent.

In recent weeks, the Government has sought a cost outline from Irish Rail for a link-up to the airport by Dart.

It has also emerged that construction of a new Dart line to Dublin Airport will cost just €200 million, less than a tenth of the cost of Metro North.

Irish Rail has told Varadkar that the cost of building the 6.5-km DART spur from Clongriffin to the airport would be significantly lower than expected because of falling land prices and lower construction costs. The new line could be operational within four years.

The lower cost and rapid delivery of a high-speed rail link from the airport to the city means the project is more likely to be approved by the government.

"Initial indications are that the cost of the 6.5-km (4.04-mile) rail link from the airport to Clongriffin, which would provide direct DART services between the airport and the city center, will come in significantly lower than previously estimated, in the region of €200 million ($287 million) in total."

Up to 2,000 jobs will be created if the project is approved.


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Dublin Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 24 14:01:29 2011, in response to Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011.

Bad Troll!!! Title corrected.

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Re: Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 14:29:29 2011, in response to Dublin Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 24 14:01:29 2011.

No, it's the only project on the planet that I know of called "Metro North". Can't see the difference between that and Metro▬North with the hyphen?

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Re: Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 24 14:32:57 2011, in response to Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011.

Hahhaha, good "gotcha"..... You should have put "Haha made you look"... :)

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Re: Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 24 14:33:29 2011, in response to Dublin Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 24 14:01:29 2011.

You are kidding right?

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Re: Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 15:11:16 2011, in response to Re: Metro North won't be built after all, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 24 14:32:57 2011.

Yes, I guess I could have. I could do the same with DART in Dublin (commuter rail) and DART in Dallas TX (light rail) if the former ever hit the headlines . . .

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Re: Metro North won't be built after all

Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 18 22:02:02 2011, in response to Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011.



your pal,
Fred

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No Metro West either (Metro North won't be built after all)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 25 10:34:26 2011, in response to Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011.

So that's no "Metro" for Dublin now. And for those big fans of public-private partnerships, it stink like rotten fish.

Irish Independent

Airport Metro link plan suspended

Sunday September 25 2011
Plans for a 25-km (15.5-mile) Metro link between Tallaght and Dublin Airport have been pulled over the lack of State and private funds.

Transport Minister Leo Varadkar confirmed he has suspended the planning process for Metro West as money to construct the new railway will not be available in the foreseeable future. He revealed Government was also considering which, if any, other rail infrastructure projects will proceed as public spending is cut.

Varadkar said, acting on the advice of the National Transport Authority (NTA), he has instructed the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) to withdraw its application for a Railway Order from An Bord Pleanála.

"From this weekend, I have suspended all planning works for Metro West and the An Bord Pleanála oral hearing which was due to commence next month will now not proceed," said Varadkar.

Metro West was to be procured as a Public Private Partnership (PPP), with a significant contribution from the exchequer. It had been hoped the service would take traffic off the M50 by carrying up to 36 million passengers a year. However, Varadkar said no major PPP project has secured funding since the financial crisis began three years ago.

"Until financial credibility is restored, the international debt funding market will be reluctant to lend funds to finance projects in Ireland, the repayment of which is ultimately dependent on the State," he continued. "Moreover, the Exchequer will not be able to make its contribution to the cost in the foreseeable future."


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Metro North gets go-ahead from planning board . . .

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 5 16:53:01 2011, in response to Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011.

. . . but it's still up in the air as to whether it'll be built or not.

RTE News

Updated: 19:48, Wednesday, 5 October 2011

Metro North has been given the go-ahead by An Bord Pleanála despite doubts about the future of the project

Metro North has been given the final go-ahead despite doubts about the future of the project.

The Rail Procurement Agency was given permission for a 16.5-km track from St Stephen's Green to Swords last October.

But An Bord Pleanála had shortened the proposed route and asked that the rail depot be moved from Belinstown north of Swords to Dardistown south of Dublin Airport.

Today the board approved revised plans that would also involve permission for acquisition of lands.

Two plots are occupied by sports clubs Na Fianna and Whitehall Rangers.

There is also land owned by Fingal County Council used as an aircraft viewing area and land belonging to the Dublin Airport Authority.

The permission will last for ten years, meaning these lands and others along the route cannot be developed by anyone else in the meantime.

It has been reported that Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar will announce before the end of the year the postponement of both Metro North and the Underground DART, the combined cost of which is estimated at €5 billion.

But the Rail Procurement Agency is reported to have already spent €200 million on the Metro project and is due to select a winning bid to build and operate Metro North from two competing consortiums Celtic Metro and Metro Express.

It is also understood the bidders could be entitled to compensation if the project is deferred.

Varadkar recently announced that the Metro West project would not be going through the planning process.


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Metro North may be revived by private consortium

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 16:31:32 2013, in response to Metro North won't be built after all, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 13:46:26 2011.

A whole bunch of other new lines are part of the plan too. They want to do surface running within Dublin though, which won't work out too well; they ought to elevate. Also, there's no need to run under Swords when they can run alongside the motorway instead.

Irish Independent

Private group revives plan to build €1.9-billion Dublin Metro service

Cormac Murphy
09 November 2013
Dublin's shelved Metro project has been revived by a private consortium, which says the scheme can be built for €1.9 billion ($2.5 billion).

Metro Dublin is proposing a public/private partnership to construct the long-delayed underground rail line linking the city's airport with St. Stephen's Green.

Detailed plans will be presented to Dublin City Council's transport committee next week outlining how it can be built for less than half the original €4.5 billion ($6 billion) estimate.

A submission to the committee describes the new plan as a 53-kilometer (33-mile) "mass rapid transit system", with 33 stations, that would also incorporate the DART Underground proposal.

It would run on "totally separate tracks" to Irish Rail services and operate in "the most densely populated areas" and the "commercial districts".

It could carry at least 130 million passengers a year and extend the population living "within 1 kilometer of a new high frequency rail service by 50 percent to 768,000".

Three lines have been proposed — M1 from St. Stephen's Green to the Blanchardstown shopping center; M2 from Malahide to St Stephen's Green and M3 from Adamstown to the Docklands.

The designs show M2 would start at Malahide DART station and travel above ground as far as Swords, where it would go underground.

It would surface on the other side of the town before going underground at Dublin Airport. It would run above ground for a short distance on the city-side of the airport and then travel into a tunnel, passing under Ballymun and Glasnevin.

Upgraded surface tracks would be used to take it to Heuston Station, where it would go underground again and run to St. Stephen's Green.

The project would also create a "critical mass to make rail the best option for a much higher proportion of journeys than today", Dublin Metro says.

Apart from the lower cost than the original Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) plans, Metro Dublin would be built in 26 months as opposed to 70, cover a greater distance and carry 62 million more passengers a year, the group says.

"Developers will be able to develop far more intensively than is possible with the urban transport network that is in place at present," it adds.

Among the various sources of funding, some €200 million ($267 million) could be raised through rates and residential taxes.


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Re: Dublin Metro may be revived by private consortium

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 9 16:41:42 2013, in response to Metro North may be revived by private consortium, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 16:31:32 2013.

The phrase "Metro North" appears nowhere in the article.

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Re: Metro North may be revived by private consortium

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 18:04:57 2013, in response to Re: Dublin Metro may be revived by private consortium, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 9 16:41:42 2013.

Metro North is the line through the Airport to Swords and (for reasons I cannot fathom as yet) sent further east to Malahide. It doesn't have to be specifically called Metro North in the article since this is an already-established historical name.

Would you get all pedantic and say "SNJLRT appears nowhere in" any modern-day article about NJT's River Line?

Can people still not tell the difference between non-hyphenated "Metro North" and "Metro-North"?

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Re: Metro North may be revived by private consortium

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 9 19:24:24 2013, in response to Re: Metro North may be revived by private consortium, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 18:04:57 2013.

If this is so "established," why would the Irish Independent not use it?

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Re: Metro North may be revived by private consortium

Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 19:35:59 2013, in response to Re: Metro North may be revived by private consortium, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 9 19:24:24 2013.

Well, "Metro North" Dublin does get 172,000 hits in Google.




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