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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 18 18:20:13 2011, in response to BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 17:45:09 2011. Where's the blue? Or is that blue on the roof? Could be blue under all that grime, something in SIRT usage would not have been an issue: 
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 18:22:18 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 18 18:20:13 2011. does anyone have interior shots of these cars, as they ran on the BMT. Supposedly the seating was rearranged from the way they were on Staten Island.. |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 18 18:26:27 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 18:22:18 2011. I've only seen interior shots when they were on the SIRT, usually at the very end (early 70's). |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 18 18:27:23 2011, in response to BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 17:45:09 2011. I don't think it was blue. It seemed to be a sort of gray similar to the gray trim that edged the beige stripe on the R-15s. |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Tue Jan 18 18:43:10 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 18:22:18 2011. The seating arrangement remained the same EXCEPT they didn't flip back and forth anymore- they were secured in one direction, axiflow fans were installed and the door controls were moved to the inside (center) of the car (as the AB steels) the R.R.headlight was also removed. They were numbered in the 2900 series often called B-29's by the motorman of the BMT-operating on the Culver Shuttle, Franklin Shuttle and occasionally the West End- SIRT 500 series (trailers) were never used in passenger service mostly for Car Inspector quarters in various BMT yards.WE-44 |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 19:07:44 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 18 18:27:23 2011. It's over a half-century, but I was thinking that the doors and trim were a dark blue, but amn't sure about the roof. As I recall, that red in the photos was much closer to a maroon--could be a film effect. Thanks for the suggestions. Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, New York |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jan 18 20:16:57 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Jan 18 18:43:10 2011. They were numbered in the 2900 series often called B-29's by the motorman of the BMT.....I have heard that the BMT ex-SIRT cars were also known as the E-Types. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 21:06:11 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Jan 18 18:43:10 2011. okay, thanks... |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 21:41:35 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Jan 18 18:43:10 2011. They also operated on the Culver Express from Ditmas to Nassau Loop--five-car trains and people running down the platform at 36th Street.BTW, for Newkirk--I mentioned in my original post that the ex-SIRT were known (in the BMT Division offices on Jay Street at least) as "E-Types." I don't know if the five trailers were called "EX" types, but it sounds plausible. Could be wrong. Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, New York |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jan 19 06:25:32 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 21:41:35 2011. BTW, for Newkirk--I mentioned in my original post that the ex-SIRT were known (in the BMT Division offices on Jay Street at least) as "E-Types." I don't know if the five trailers were called "EX" types, but it sounds plausible. Could be wrong.Since the trailers never entered revenue passenger service, I don't think the "X" trailer designation would have been applied. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jan 19 06:56:55 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 21:41:35 2011. Let's not forget that they operated on the Franklin Ave. shuttle and West End line to Chambers ST.
Line: BMT Franklin...Location: Botanic Garden... Route: Franklin Shuttle...Car: BMT ex-SIRT... Photo by: Brian J. Cudahy...Notes: Circa 1954-58...from nycsubway.org Line: BMT West End Line...Location: 50th Street... Car: BMT ex-SIRT 2912... Photo by: Harry Pinsker...Date: 9/2/1960...from nycsubway.org Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 19 07:54:47 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jan 19 06:56:55 2011. I'll bet they never ran six-car trains on the SIRT!:) |
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Posted by HarryP on Wed Jan 19 08:51:46 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 19 07:54:47 2011. The SIRT did run a six-car train. I took a shot of one in Aug. 1958. The image is on Subway.org, under "Stations -- Staten Island Rapid Transit, Oakwood Hts. Station, image #74059."That day I walked the SIRT from St. George and got as far as Oakwood Hts. It was about 6:00 p.m. when that 6-car train passed just north of the station on the old shoo-fly before the grade separation. In the rush hour, the SIRT was very busy, even in those pre-Verazzano Bridge days, and long trains were common. But a 6-car train was even a surprise to me! |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Jan 19 16:40:04 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Tue Jan 18 19:07:44 2011. The SIRT cars were the same shade of maroon as the R-15s and 17s. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Jan 19 16:49:33 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jan 18 20:16:57 2011. I've heard that too but I can't understand why they would have done that since there were older cars that were specifically built for the BMT that would have been more entitled to receive that designation. If the BMT's car type lettering were to be properly applied, the Multis would be definitely deserving of the E type designation and the Qs would merit an F type. If the Bluebird were to receive a type, then it would probably be called a G type although I'm not sure if the BMT would have assigned a type designation to a small experimental fleet. That would mean that the absolutely lowest letter type that should have been assigned to the SIRT cars would have been G if the bluebirds weren't typed or H if they were. |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Wed Jan 19 19:36:37 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Randyo on Wed Jan 19 16:40:04 2011. Thanks--that matches my memory. The R-15s had probably the hsndsomest paint job of all the pre-1960s cars, with the possible exception of the BMT Compartment cars.Now I need to find the model paints. Thanks again, Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, New York |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Jan 20 16:08:41 2011, in response to Re: BMT/ex-SIRT Paint Colors, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Wed Jan 19 19:36:37 2011. I thought that myself. The next best paint scheme was the R-36 World's Fair turquoise and white racing stripe scheme which was also applied to the R-10s and which should have been applied to the entire painted fleet. |
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