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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010 I done quite a lot of riding on the Staten Island Ferry and have noticed that the JOHN F KENNEDY is almost always in service. I understand that this is being done as an economy measure as the KENNEDY requires a slightly smaller crew. Its nice to see the old veteran still in service. If she hang around for a few more years she'll take the house record for longevity.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 22 20:19:01 2010, in response to Ferryboat "John F Kennedy", posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010. 'as the KENNEDY requires a slightly smaller crew'slimmer or shorter? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Dec 22 20:30:40 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by monorail on Wed Dec 22 20:19:01 2010. I'd think more like "fewer." |
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Posted by aaron on Wed Dec 22 20:41:57 2010, in response to Ferryboat "John F Kennedy", posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010. Will it make the "Book of Last Runs" when it gets retired? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 22 21:46:18 2010, in response to Ferryboat "John F Kennedy", posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010. yer makin' me feel old. I remember Miss NY and Gold Star Mother with the wonderful verandas. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 22:05:56 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by aaron on Wed Dec 22 20:41:57 2010. Absolutely. I've been thinking of expanding the last book anyway to include last runs even where I don't have the consists. I could also include ferryboats and the Day Line. I was on the last eastbound run of the CNJ Communipaw Ferry.Off the top of my head I don't remember which Staten Island Ferry holds the house record; its either the MAYOR GAYNOR or the AMERICAN LEGION."\ Of course the all time champ for ferryboats is the ADIRONDACK up on Lake Champlain. She 98 years old and still going strong. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 22:07:20 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 22:05:56 2010. That would be AMERICAN LEGION I, correct?(The Kennedy-Class "AL" has been retired, not sure if it has been scrapt or not). -w- - |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 22:09:18 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 22 21:46:18 2010. Do you remember their recently-departed (2008) sister "MM" (Mary Murray)?My favourites were the Merrell class - Pvt. Joseph F. Merrell ("M"), Cornelius G.Kolff ("K") and Verrazano ("V"). -w- |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 22 22:39:33 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 22:09:18 2010. I am not sure. Seems likely as I was using the ferry 66-70. as to the newer class, there is the memory of a late evening adventure.Got off work circa 1AM @ 59th at 3rd. Rendezvous ed w/ a friend who lived on 6th betwn A & B (I on 7rg) Anyway after several joints I had the gare brained idea to go out to SI to watch dawn from, the ferry. A walk to Astor place, a very hot subway ride to South Ferry amd a ferry ride in the dark out to St George. So there we were on the top deck lying IIRC on some boxes watching sunup Manhattan bound. My friend unfortunately had to go to work day shift while I went home to sleep until 4 PM. He still remembers it as a very tired day. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 22:40:38 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 22:07:20 2010. You right Wayne. I meant the AMERICAN LEGION(I). She was in service from 1926 to 1963 although she was semi-retired after the arrival of the Merrell Class boats. That give her 37 years.The MAYOR GAYNOR was in service from 1914-1951 which ties the AL with 37 years. My guess was a little off though. The BROOKLYN was in service from 1905 to 47 but she spent the last ten years of her life working first as a mechanical arts workshop and then for the Coast Guard during WW II. The QUEENS was retired in 1938 with the arrival of the MISS NEW YORK class boats but she returned to active duty during World War II. She finally retired in 1947 at the ripe old age of 42. The MARY MURRAY seems to be the current record holder with 45 years of service. She came in 1937 and was listed as "out of documentation" in 1982. We all know that she spent many years rusting away on a New Jersey backwater. When she left Staten Island service she had 45 years under her belt. The WESTFIELD (II) retired in 1907 with 47 years of service but again some of those were on other route. So if the JFK is still with us in a few weeks I think that we can say she is the boat with the longest continuous service on the Staten Island run. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 22:42:39 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 22:09:18 2010. Do you remember their recently-departed (2008) sister "MM" (Mary Murray)?I remember the Miss New York Class boats very well. They had that art-deco design. They actually were two stackers but the grouped together into a single funnel housing. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Andy on Wed Dec 22 22:49:10 2010, in response to Ferryboat "John F Kennedy", posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010. Nice posting. When did its sister boats (Gov. Lehman and American Legion) go out of service?And related question - of the two circa-1985 6,000 passenger superferries (believe they are the Barbieri class) - which is in service and which one is out of service? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 22 23:13:19 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Andy on Wed Dec 22 22:49:10 2010. Both of them are in service. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 22 23:13:59 2010, in response to Ferryboat "John F Kennedy", posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010. Haven't been able to ride the ferry during the day in a while. It's weird riding a smaller version of the Staten Island Ferry with no tourists in sight. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 23:18:17 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Andy on Wed Dec 22 22:49:10 2010. Andy: Thank you. The AMERICAN LEGION (II) which was the hard-luck boat of the Kennedy Class was retired first. I don't have they exact date but it was probably in early 2006. The last time that I rode the AMERICAN LEGION was on December 14, 2005.Despite what you sometimes hear about city departments doing stupid things the Department of Transportation wisely kept the HHL and the JFK in service even after all three Molinaris had arrived. This enabled them to overhaul and refurbish the two Barberi Class boats. The GOV HERBERT H LEHMAN made her last trip on June 30, 2007. I do not know her final disposition. AS for the Barberi Class boats they are both in service. I rode the Newhouse on November 12 and the Barberi on November 30. They are not active all the time as there are now six full size boats and only four are needed on any given day. (Night boat excepted) Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 23:20:31 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 22 23:13:59 2010. I rode the ferry today. Sat outside on the Promenade Deck both ways. You're right, very few tourists. It was a great ride. Outbound trip was on the GVM, inbound on the SOA.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 23:35:30 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 22 22:39:33 2010. In 66-70 there would have been three classes - Kennedy (JFK, AL, HHL); Merrell (M, K, V) and Miss New York (MNY, MM, GSM). The Hamilton class would have recently been retired with the opening of the Verrazzano-Narrows bridge and the end of the Bay Ridge ferry. The Miss New York class IIRC served as the "night boats" (as the Austen class does today) due to their smaller size.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 23:40:53 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 22:40:38 2010. The Kennedy class boats were very well made and very well cared-for. Witness the AL (II) with two near-lethal collisions survived (neither of the other two - HHL or JFK had any mishap). The current Andrew J. Barberi ("B") shows similar resilience, surviving an even worse allision and a recent brush with the St. George bulkhead. During my ride on her in October, I observed this recent war wound on the lower starboard bow. She wears it well.-w- |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 22 23:43:11 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 23:20:31 2010. Tourists don't ride during the day either now? I guess that makes sense since it's winter time. The past couple of times I rode the ferry it was on the John A. Noble, I miss riding on the Hurricane Deck of the newest boats. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 23:43:35 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Andy on Wed Dec 22 22:49:10 2010. "B" had a boo-boo earlier in the year; they slapped a band-aid on it and sent her on her way.-w- |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 00:02:18 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 23:35:30 2010. Two of the Brooklyn-Staten Island boats, the GOTHAM and the HAMILTON briefly saw service on the Whitehall Street - Saint George route in either 1965 or 66. The was a short strike by ferry workers and they used supervisory personnel to run one boat, the Merrill during the day and that night they ran the two 69 Street boats since they did required smaller crews. They did not attempt to carry vehicles as the ends of the boats did not quite match up with the aprons at the terminals. There were large gaps on either side of the boat when it was docked so the workers laid down big wooden planks.Does anyone remember the exact date of the strike? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 00:05:16 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 23:40:53 2010. If you go down to the main deck there is a plaque commemorating the October 15, 2003 accident. Its located near the SI end of the boat.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 00:06:57 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 22 23:43:11 2010. There were some tourists there but not too many. I usually ride on the Brooklyn side since all the tourist are on the Jersey side to see Miss Liberty.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe on Thu Dec 23 04:46:08 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 00:06:57 2010. For a history of the fleet, please do not forget Brian Cudahy's 1990 book "Over and Back," an excellent narrative, photo collection, and data presentation.---- My memories of the Whitehall - St. George route date from 1959-1967. Supposedly, the Merrill class had a list towards New Jersey, caused by the rearrangement of something below decks. I used to claim the list resulted from the busy men's room on that side. Am I correct that that cabin (NJ side, lower deck) was the smoking room? |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 23 08:10:42 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Andy on Wed Dec 22 22:49:10 2010. You guys are forgetting American Legion III their new ERB.The newest addition to the DOT fleet is the American Legion, the latest in the fleet to bear that name, a new high speed utility boat that was purchased with $1 million donated by the NASDAQ Disaster Relief Fund, Inc. to enable the Department to respond to emergency situations in and around lower Manhattan. Gladding-Hearn Shipbuilding in Somerset, Massachusetts built the vessel which was delivered in March 2007. The new boat can hold 12 passengers in addition to its crew and has a top speed of 30 knots. In situations where a ferry may require assistance in mid-harbor, the utility boat will be used to shuttle maintenance staff quickly from the terminals to the boat. The boat will also be used to deliver DOT staff and equipment to the private ferry landings around Manhattan during an emergency. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 09:33:41 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Joe on Thu Dec 23 04:46:08 2010. If one of the Merrells had a list it probably was the Verrazzano. She was the hard luck boat of that class.For one reason or another the Kennedy class boat "American Legion" always seemed to have a permanent port-side list, that is she dipped toward Jersey. And yes you are correct. The men's cabin (and restrooms) were on the Jersey side of the boat whereas the women's cabin was on the Brooklyn side. The "Gold Star Mother" even had an enclosed sitting area in the women's cabin. I don't know if it was open to all women or just the Gold Star Mothers. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 09:36:57 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 23 08:10:42 2010. I saw the "American Legion (III)" yesterday. Her usual station is Slip 7 at Saint George.The oldest ferryboat in the Municipal Fleet would have to be the "Micheal Cosgrove." She'll be 50 in 2011 and still carrying the dead folks out to "Potter's Field." Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 09:41:58 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 09:36:57 2010. Does the Micheal Cosgrove travel between Rikers Island and Potter's Field or City Island and Potter's Field, I can't remember. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 09:45:32 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 09:41:58 2010. "Potter's Field" is located on Hart Island. The ferry runs between there and Fordham Street on City Island. The service is run as needed and at times the boat ties up at the Saint George. Up until the late 1970's or possible later the boat would spend the night at City Island with a watchkeeper assigned.Larry, Redbirdr33 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 09:55:39 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 09:45:32 2010. Where does it usually tie up at St. George?On a slightly related note I noticed that Governors Island Ferry vessel Lt. Samuel S. Coursen moors at Governors Island instead of Manhattan. Do you know if a security guard watches that boat over there at night? How does that ferry's crew get home at the end of the day if they can't take the boat back to Manhattan? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 23 10:27:15 2010, in response to Ferryboat "John F Kennedy", posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 22 18:22:18 2010. The only reason it uses a smaller crew is because it has a lower passenger capacity; but it's not an austerity measure. They actually require more engineering crew than the newer boats. They're going to keep the Kennedy going as long as they have the parts (salvaged from the American Legion and Lehman) to do so, so they have a spare boat available in case something goes wrong with the newer boats, which still have random issues. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 23 10:35:30 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 09:33:41 2010. If one of the Merrells had a list it probably was the Verrazzano.It was the Kolf. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 23 10:35:44 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 22 23:35:30 2010. IINM, the Brooklyn Ferry wasn't a municipal operation. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 10:53:56 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 09:55:39 2010. She usually ties up at the maintenance base in the slip closet to the parking lot. The best way to see hear is from the overhead ramps. She so damn small that its easy to miss her.Larry, Redbirdr33 |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 23 10:53:57 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Joe on Thu Dec 23 04:46:08 2010. Am I correct that that cabin (NJ side, lower deck) was the smoking room?That what I was told when I first rode the ferry in 1987, people were smoking and so did I. But Hank E. said it was already banned as long as he can remember. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 11:00:28 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 23 10:35:44 2010. IINM, the Brooklyn Ferry wasn't a municipal operationThe boats were municipally owned since 1954 and were maintained at Pier 7, Tompkinsville which at that time was the maintenance base. The service was run by a private company; the 69th Street Brooklyn Ferry Corporation. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 11:13:24 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 09:55:39 2010. I didn't know that the Coursen tied up at GI at nights. I don't think that the island is completely abandoned at night and the FDNY still mans a station out there I believe.They might maintain an overnight crew on the ferry just in cause they need to bring fire trucks or ambulances to the island in an emergency. Maybe someone here has more definite information. Incidentally the last I heard of her sister ship, "Pvt Nicholas Minue" she was rusting away in some marine yard on the backside of Staten Island. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Dec 23 11:24:17 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 11:13:24 2010. I believe the FDNY closed the Governor's Island Station a few years ago, or at least it was on the chopping block a few years ago. |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Dec 23 11:24:17 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 11:13:24 2010. I believe the FDNY closed the Governor's Island Station a few years ago, or at least it was on the chopping block a few years ago. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 23 12:35:18 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by mac5689 on Thu Dec 23 11:24:17 2010. It was closed the last round of cuts. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 23 12:56:41 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 23 10:53:57 2010. My memory doesn't go back to 1987. I wasn't a regular rider until the early 1990s, and I recall it being I know it was banned before they started banning smoking everywhere... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 23 13:00:11 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 23 12:56:41 2010. yup, can't tell if the ship is on fire if there is smoke coming out of every crevice anyway.
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Posted by Joe on Thu Dec 23 13:44:29 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 00:02:18 2010. The NY Times of May 5, 1965, reported that the strike by engineers hit suddenly about 2:30 in the afternoon of May 4. The root of the argument was a switch by members to a different union. The Times of May 8 reported that supervisors and other qualified persons ran five boats on May 7: the Joseph F. Merrill, the Knickerbocker, the Gold Star Mother, the Hamilton, and the E. G. Diefenbach. The strike began to threaten other ferry routes and general shipping. The strike ended on June 8, 1965.---- By the way, Elmer G. Diefenbach (possibly 1891-1949) was a chief investor in Electric Ferries, which operated 23rd Street-to-Weehawken, which moved to 125th St to Edgewater (which I rode on trips to Palisades Amusement Park), and the 69th St. ferry. ---- From Brian Cudahy's "Over and Back," 1990, other Electric Ferries you might remember are Palisades, Hudson, The Narrows, The Tides, and Hamilton. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 23 14:15:37 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 23 12:35:18 2010. When the park is open, there is an FDNY Paramedic crew on the island. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 17:03:14 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Joe on Thu Dec 23 13:44:29 2010. Thank you for the date Joe. I remember riding one of the Brooklyn boats on the Staten Island run during the strike. I thought it was the "Gotham."Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 22:24:19 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 11:13:24 2010. Thanks. The Pvt. Nicholas Minue can be seen from the west side of the Bayonne Bridge, I also believe that a retired Staten Island Ferry boat is moored around there rusting away. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 22:32:12 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 22:24:19 2010. Thank you. I didn't know that the Minue was still afoat. I wonder which SI boat is there?Maybe next week I'll take a ride on the S40 and see what's out there. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 22:39:04 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 23 22:24:19 2010. Mr Jones: Thank you for the information. Below please find a brief history of the ferry that I did back in 2005. It need to be updated and expanded.100 Years of Staten Island Ferryboats The City of New York took over operation of the Staten Island Ferry from the Staten Island Rapid Transit Railway Company on October 25, 1905. Five second hand ferryboats were included in the takeover: 1) WESTFIELD (ii) of 1862 2) MIDDLETOWN of 1864 3) SOUTHFIELD of 1882 4) ROBERT GARRETT of 1888 5) CASTLETON, ex ERASTUS WIMAN of 1888. The city never intended to operate these boats on the Whitehall Street-Saint George service. Those that were not immediately retired where put to use on other routes. The City ordered five new boats which came to be known as “The Five Boros.” They were all delivered in 1905 and were named: 1) MANHATTAN 2) BROOKLYN 3) BRONX 4) QUEENS 5) RICHMOND A sixth boat came in 1914 and was known as the MAYOR GAYNOR. She had a four cylinder triple expansion engine and would become the least successful boat in the history of the ferry. She could not maintain the schedule of a round trip in an hour which then as now was required. A seventh boat came in 1921 and was known as the PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT. The next boat ordered was the AMERICAN LEGION (i) of 1926. She had a flared hull which was supposed to reduce water resistance but had the unfortunate effect pushing the water in front of her and drencing passengers and crew alike. She was referred to as “The Wet Wash Boat.” The next three boats became known as the Dongan Hills Class: 1) DONGAN HILLS of 1929 2) TOMPKINSVILLE of 1930 3) KNICKERBOCKER of 1931 This established a practice of ordering boats in groups of three which would continue until the arrival of the Barberi Class. The next boats were the Miss New York Class: 1) GOLD STAR MOTHER of 1937 2) MARY MURRAY of 1937 3) MISS NEW YORK of 1938. With the arrival of these boats the Five Boros were retired and the fleet size became standard at nine boats. The next boats were the Merrell Class: 1) PVT JOSEPH F MERRELL of 1950 2) CORNELIUS G KOLFF of 1951 3) VERRAZZANO of 1951 These were the first three deckers in the fleet and with their arrival the MAYOR GAYNOR and PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT were withdrawn. The AMERICAN LEGION (i) was retained as a spare boat until 1963. The replacements for the Dongan Hills Class boats were the Kennedy Class of 1965: 1) JOHN F KENNEDY 2) AMERICAN LEGION (ii) 3)THE GOV HERBERT H LEHMAN These were the first diesel boats for the ferry and they were the first to sport a very nice orange and blue paint scheme which was later applied to the older boats. The nine boat fleet came to and end either in 1969 or 1970 when the GOLD STAR MOTHER became a floating methadone clinic. The MISS NEW YORK left the fleet in 1979 and the MARY MURRAY in 1982. The Merrell Class came due for replacement in 1982 and those three boats were replaced by two boats of the Barberi Class: 1) ANDREW J BARBERI of 1981 2) SAMUEL I NEWHOUSE of 1982 These were the first all-passenger ferries in the Staten Island Fleet and they had very limited outside space. The ferry now had a five boat fleet and two small boats were ordered in 1986 and these became known as Austen Class: 1) ALICE AUSTEN 2) JOHN A NOBLE It was originally intended that they would operate at nights and on the weekends since they required required smaller crews. One does operate at nights but on the weekend one of the big vehicle carrying boats was usually assigned to run with one of the smaller boats. They were used on the short-lived Williamsburg Express Ferry of 1988 and again on the rush-hour only Bay Ridge Ferry which ran from 2001 to about 2003. Three new boats joined the ferry in 2005 and these are the Molinari Class: 1) GUY V MOLINARI 2) SEN JOHN J MARCHI 3) SPIRIT OF AMERICA They all the first four deckers in the fleet and eventually will replace the two boats of the Kennedy Class. The JOHN F KENNEDY is to be retained for use as a training and reserve boat. Currently the ferry terminal at St George is somewhat crowded with no less than no less than ten Staten Island boats on hand plus the diminutive Hart Island boat, MICHEAL COSGROVE. Larry, RedbirdR33 October 25, 2005 Reposted 12/23/10 |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Dec 23 23:24:33 2010, in response to Re: ERB ''American Legion III'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 11:13:24 2010. I wonder if the "V" is still mouldering away at the Brooklyn Navy Yard? I know for sure that Merrell and Kolff have been scrapt - the latter, rather unceremoniously so.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Dec 23 23:28:16 2010, in response to Re: Ferryboat ''John F Kennedy'', posted by Joe on Thu Dec 23 04:46:08 2010. Late '74 and early '75 - yes, you could smoke on the main deck (lower level). Not sure which side; but I remember being able to do so. This was true of both Merrell and Kennedy class boats at the time.w- |
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