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Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany])

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 11 09:46:15 2010, in response to Re: Time Magazine takes notice (Big protests against ''Stuttgart 21'' [Germany]), posted by Fytton on Mon Oct 11 05:43:09 2010.

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This was done in Brussels many years ago and works well there, and - more relevantly to the Stuttgart controversy - has also been done successfully in Berlin recently, with the opening of the new Hauptbahnhof. But neither of these involved demolishing an existing historic station building or sacrificing a park, and neither occurred at a time of severe cuts in public expenditure generally.

Actually, they completely demolished both Brussels termini when they constructed the North-South Link. But this was 1949-52, and people were a lot less appreciative then of railway architecture of a certain age. The old Nord was a nicely-proportioned Second-Empire-style building. The old Midi was something else, a massive Neo-Classical monumental thing that looked like a very Francophone take on the old Euston. There are some pictures at the bottom of this page.

Circumstances alter cases. It looks as if Stuttgart (a city I've never visited, so I'm just going on the media reports) may well be a case where application of the general priciple is inappropriate.

Well, it is quite hard to think of plausible through routes via Stuttgart other than the France to Munich one. The line would not be quicker to Munich from anywhere north of Mannheim. It might make more sense to remove these reversals by stopping the few international trains that aren't terminating at Stuttgart-Hbf at Stuttgart-Bad Canstatt or Stuttgart-Nordbf instead (i.e. what happens in Tours and Orléans).

And the north-south routes through Stuttgart are generally very slow indeed:

Stuttgart-Zürich: 2h53, ~130 miles
Stuttgart-Würzburg (i.e. the nearest point on the HSR to Hamburg): 2h14, ~90 miles
Stuttgart-Nuremberg (for Berlin and Prague): 2h09/2h44 (alternate trains), ~130 miles

Perhaps they're building the HSR through Stuttgart the wrong way around!

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