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Re: Nassau Street loop line

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 9 02:24:01 2010, in response to Re: Nassau Street loop line, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jan 8 19:07:54 2010.

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Let's say for the sake of argument, that you are correct, that about 65% of M-train riders are headed to midtown, with the rest, 35% heading downtown. Again, let's say for the sake of argument that the majority of the midtown M-train riders transfer at the Delancy-Essex Street station for the F-train to continue their journey. Let's also say for the sake of argument that plenty J/Z train riders also transfer at the Delancy-Essex Street station to/from the F-trains to continue their journey.

I do not have any figures that refute or support your statistic. However if we go along with those figures, then that means there are a few questions to consider.

a) Suppose current J and Z trains continue to Broad Street, under a M/V combination route. The above figures imply (but do not prove) that there may be space on J and Z trains for downtown-bound M-train riders.

b) Also that some riders 35% (following the figures again) would lose their one seat ride, leading to complaints from those folks. In the recent past riders on the Brighton line who on the weekends lost their direct Sixth Avenue service, the action was based upon a survey of the riders according to the MTA, have really never stopped complaining. Notice how that issue re-appears on this forum often. I won't even mention the G-train riders who still complain about their service changes.

c) Doing something because the majority numbers tends to sway that way, does not mean the minority has to like it, or that the needs of the minority do not count.

d) Often on this forum several of the recent discussions about the V-train and the M-train, several posters have tried to suggest that "no one rides" the M-train or the V-train. Now if "no one rides" either of these lines why bother to suggest that the creation of an M/V combination would ease crowding the L-train, offer one-seat rides to plenty of folk who now have 3-transfer rides, or the other suggested benefits.

e) Why all of this attention to lines, that many posters on this forum says "no one rides"? If it is truly the case, that "no one rides" the M-train or the V-train - then there is little real benefit to such a merger.

f) There are times when one should examine the arguments and assumptions of or about a proposal, it is all part of the debate.

Mike



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