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Re: Future expansion wish list?

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 26 23:28:24 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Dec 26 16:53:25 2009.

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So now instead of just having a RR ticket, those commuters must now also have a metrocard?

It's not unheard of, you know, for an LIRR rider to also use a monthly metrocard. I am one such rider, and a good chunk of LIRR's monthly pass holders are too. So let's dismiss that outrage.

Let's do the math. A Monthly ticket is $200 from Mineola to FBA. Mineola to Jamaica is $150 plus $89 for a monthly metrocard.

All that this shows is that LIRR riders are much more heavily subsidized per rider than NYCT riders, which is part of the reason why LIRR bleeds money.

That's not cheaper.

You have conveniently ignored the net increase in welfare measured by wage-hours that a NYCT takeover would cause. Multiply the ridership by a wage value (say, mean wage) by the time savings. Do this for both LIRR operations at present and NYCT. Then subtract and take the absolute value. Since all of the terms are positive reals, the second term is a constant, and the first and third terms are going to be much larger for the NYCT evaluation, the net increase in welfare is huge. This is simply a knockdown argument.

Atlantic line should never EVER be taken from the RR, period.

That's not an argument; it's mere sentiment. I like the quaint FBA operation too, but the needs of millions of riders trumps a railfan's sense of nostalgia.

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