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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Dec 26 08:00:18 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 20:00:15 2009. I agree with sending the E to Brooklyn through the Rathole, but not with then merging the W and the T into it. All this merging and demerging wastes core capacity.My suggestions for the E and lines affected by it are as follows: 6th Avenue Local (F train) - Separate its express run in Queens by building a new line under Queens Blvd between the 63rd St tunnel and Woodhaven Blvd station (where the local would be diverted up the LIE). Intermediate stations: Queens Plaza, 46th St, 69th St. - Extend beyond 179/Hillside to East Williston LIRR station (maybe not all at once!). Intermediate stations at: 188th, 197th, Francis Lewis Blvd (208th), 214th, Springfield Blvd, Winchester Blvd, Commonwealth Blvd, Little Neck Pkwy, Langdale St, Lakeville Rd, New Hyde Park Rd, Marcus Av, Herricks Rd, Park Av (Williston Park). - Add a branch in Brooklyn after 7th Av station, running under the park to Prospect Park station, then becoming a Flatbush Avenue subway to Kings Plaza. Intermediate stations: Prospect Park, Church Av, Foster Av, Nostrand Av, Kings Hwy, Fillmore Av. - Kill the V train (or label one branch in Brooklyn the V), so that the F train can run twice as frequently. Crosstown Line (G train) - Rebuild the flying junction west of Hoyt/Schermerhorn so that the tracks continue at the same grade as the transit museum leads, cross the eastbound one at grade, then curve into Boerum Place to terminate at Bergen St. This moves the G train out of the way of running the current service level from Manhattan to the Culver Line whilst giving an equal Manhattan service to the Flatbush Av subway. - Consider somehow extending beyond Bergen St to Red Hook. It looks as if it would end up being a slowpoke load of zig-zags though. - Build an underground moving walkway to link Fulton St station (and one might as well include Lafayette on the C too, as the additional cost would be minimal) to Atlantic Av station on the IRT/BMT. - At the Queens end, close Court Sq and 21st St stations. Instead, switch to left-hand running somewhere, before ramping up to a cross-platform interchange with the Flushing line at Hunters Point Av (i.e. so the cross-platform works as Greenpoint↔Manhattan), then run alongside the LIRR to Queens Plaza. This is dependent on conversion of the Port Washington Branch to metro operations, or it would just massively overload the Flushing Line. 8th Avenue Local (E train) - Double its frequency in Queens, thanks to the separate F Line. - Extend beyond Parsons/Archer as a Merrick Blvd Subway running out to Valley Stream LIRR, with a branch under Linden Blvd and Albany St to Dutch Broadway. Intermediate stations on the common stretch: South Rd, Brinkerhoff Av, Linden/Merrick Blvds. Then on the Merrick Blvd Line: Baisley Blvd, Farmers Blvd, Springfield Blvd, 224th St, 230th Pl, Hook Creek Blvd, Arlington Av, Terrace Pl, Central Av. And on the Linden Blvd Line: St Albans LIRR, 198th St, Nashville Blvd, 224th St, 230th St, Elmont Rd. - Connect it to the BMT at Cortlandt St. - Extend the line beyond 95th St in the median of Shore Pkwy, before curving into Stillwell Av - Coney Island station (a new island platform east of the Sea Beach Line). Intermediate stations: 16th Av, 19th Av, 24th Av, Bay 41st St, Cropsey Av. - Add a branch after Lawrence St to run under Myrtle Av, before becoming elevated just after Marcus Garvey Blvd, taking over the Myrtle Av El (and extending all the platforms!). Intermediate stations on the new section: Gold St/Flatbush Av, Vanderbilt Av, Franklin Av, Union Av. - Possibly run through from Metropolitan Av into a Queens-Bronx crosstown line (this looks absolutely crazy on a map, but overlapping sections make sense), under 69th St, the BQE, 41st Av, 74th St, the Grand Central Pkwy, 149th St in the Bronx, and 145th St in Manhattan, to terminate at Broadway. Intermediate stations at: Eliot Av, Grand Av, Maurice Av, Queens Blvd, Roosevelt Av/Broadway (yes, this could mean E trains in four directions!), Northern Blvd, 30th Av, LGA Terminals A&B, Southern Blvd (E149 on the Pelham Line), 3rd Av, Grand Concourse, 7th-Lenox Avs, St Nicholas Av. Broadway Local (R/W trains) - Extend the Astoria El, transitioning somewhere into a 19th Av - LGA subway, then rising up to run in the median of the Grand Central Pkwy, before curving to run alongside the Port Washington Branch to Flushing Main St. Intermediate stations: Steinway St, Marine Air Terminal, Terminals A&B, Terminals C&D, 31st Dr, - After Woodhaven Blvd, the separate F train takes over the existing local tracks, so the R train needs to be diverted to the LIE median. Eventually, this should go to E Hampton Blvd (Alley Park). Intermediate stations: 99th, 108th, Main St, Kissena Blvd, 164th, Utopia Pkwy, 188th, Francis Lewis Blvd, Oceania St, Springfield Blvd. - At the other end, it's the E train that's taken over the R train's route. Instead, it should run into the upper level of a two level station at the WTC, then under the Hudson River, duplicating PATH to Journal Sq, then taking the obvious surface route to Secaucus Junction Lower, then paralleling the Erie Main Line (the original one!), rising up to bridge the Hackensack River at a high level (so the bridge doesn't have to move), and going into a subway through Passaic, and terminating at Paterson NJT station. Intermediate stations: WTC, Exchange Pl, Grove St, Journal Sq, Secaucus Junction, Rutherford, Jackson Av, Passaic (Passaic/Main Sts), Clifton Av, Crooks Av, California Av. After Passaic, a branch of the subway would swing east (following where the population density is) to serve Garfield (NJT), Lodi, Essex St (NJT), Central Av, Anderson St (NJT), Temple Av, and New Bridge Landing (NJT). New E-W Regional Line via Downtown - I mentioned that the WTC station on the R/W would have a lower level. This would be a regional metro line. On the NJ side, it would run alongside the Morris/Essex Line from Summit to East Orange, with a spur west of Orange station to allow short-turns at a new West Orange station alongside I-280. After this, it would have stations at Orange/Duryea Sts (i.e. Orange St on the Newark City Subway), Newark Broad St (in a subway), Newark Penn Station, East Ferry St, and Journal Sq, where it would join the Broadway local to WTC. It would then pass under the East River between the Clark St and Cranberry St Tunnels, have an interchange with the IRT and IND at Hoyt/Livingston Sts, then recapture the LIRR at Flatbush Av. Woodhaven station would re-open, then the Atlantic, Far Rockaway, and Long Beach branches would be recaptured, with new local tracks added for the regional metro as far as Wantagh. Central Park West IND (A/B/C/D trains) - With the E train using all of the capacity of the 8th Avenue local, 50th St would have to be rebuilt to serve the express tracks -- probably by removing that part of the local tracks. The C train would no longer serve 23rd St and Spring St stations, which probably isn't a big loss. This then leaves two options: 1) add crossovers to allow everything north of this to be left alone; and: 2) flip the northern end of the C and D trains. |
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