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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Oct 11 12:32:53 2009, in response to Re: Bergen Street Lower Level, posted by lrg5784 on Sat Oct 10 22:21:11 2009. The proposal that I like that I have said before is a rather simple idea:Extend the V-train to Church Avenue as a two-direction express along the Culver line during the V-train's regular running hours - M-F, and during the rush hours extend the V-train to Kings Highway as a peak direction express, am to Manhattan, pm to Kings Highway. Leave the F-train alone, with its current headways and operations as a Brooklyn local along the whole route all of the time - 24/7/365. Simply have the G-train run to/from Church Avenue 24/7/365 as a local with its usual service, and hopefully longer trains. Do not even bother with messing with the A, C, E, or any other transit lines, cause there's no need, or earthly rationale to do so. As the report notes, 2/3 of the riders of the F-line are in the northern Brooklyn segment, the segment bypassed by express trains. In addition, the report notes that there are more F-trains than there are G or V-trains. In addition it has been reported here that there were switch changes to Kings Highway making some track movements not possible. Benefits - 1) the riders in the north Brooklyn, Park Slope areas do not lose any F-train service, at a frequency of service that they have come to expect. This is really important since almost every idea/proposal results in lower service for this group - which is the reason these folks petitioned and squeezed the balls of their political leaders to change the service to all local decades ago. From their point of view they have what they want - frequent service - so why take that away? Doing so gives these people a reason to fight any changes. If the V-train runs express, that should free up space on the F-trains. allowing more Park Slope folk to have one-seat rides to/from Manhattan, with actual greater chances of having a seat. This is a reason to buy-in to the idea of the V-train express service. 2) The riders who want express service can transfer to the V-train which makes the same midtown Manhattan stops as the F-train, less rider confusion. When the V-train stops running, the express service is over, and of course no confusion about what runs local, the F-train - 24/7/365. 3) No need for regular switch operations at West 4th Street, Second Avenue, etc. - Bergen Street, Church Avenue and Kings Highway become the switch points a task that they already serve. 4) Having the V-train as a Brooklyn Culver express is no more strange as having the B-train local in Manhattan and the Bronx, but express in Brooklyn -something done for decades - get over that nugget already. 5) The Bergen Street station becomes so much less of an issue. Why? F-train riders from the Park Slope stations have no need to change to the V-train to Manhattan, since by the time the F-train reaches Bergen Street - everything F or V-train is local to Manhattan. No transfer needs to be done there. On the Brooklyn bound side of things in Manhattan, the riders can "sort themselves" on to F or V-trains, especially when they know that V-trains run express. 6) Transit fans and buffs often like to "screw with the subway map" suggesting all sorts of changes to solve a very simple problem - in this case some folks want Culver express service. The simple way to do that is to extend the V-train as an express, once there's more subway cars, once the whole viaduct is repaired, once there's money in the budget for more TO's, etc. 7) Keep talking about substituting less frequent local service (C, G or V-train Culver local trains, or F-trains from Kings Highway only) for the current local service at frequencies of trains every 4 minutes (all current F-trains locals) -- and the Park Slope folks and their political allies will shut down all talk of by-passing their stations. They did it before, and they can certainly do it again. What benefits them (the Park Slope riders, the two-thirds of the lines ridership) with less frequent service? Those folks can count, and they know when they are getting less service! What is the benefit of less frequent service? Would you want less service at your own local station, so that other folk can ride an express train that by-passes your stop? As you make these proposals think about that. Mike |
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