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Posted by Howard Fein on Thu Mar 31 09:10:32 2005, in response to Re: List of crossovers/unders, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Mar 31 06:56:00 2005. Yes, at the entrances. Determining reverse movements from within the system when you've just gotten off a train can be a different story.Most experienced NYC subway riders know that if there's fare control on platform level, i.e. no mezzanine, you can't reverse direction without paying another fare- unless you're carrying an Unlimited, of course. But there are a few stations with complete mezzanines and fare control on a separate level from the platform where you STILL can't turn around without exiting the system- even if just for a few seconds. I fell for this one time when I tried to turn around at 33rd on the 7, which appears to be a typical mezzanined el station. But the fare controls are set up in such a way that you exit the system as soon as you reach the bottom of the stairs from the platform. This is known as Dual Fare Control. Most mezzanines- both above and below ground- are located mostly or entirely within fare control. In some cases you may be allowed to turn around within fare control only at one extremity or the other, such as at Elmhurst and Grand on the R. Since that time, 33rd and 46th do allow reversal of direction within fare control, but 40th still doesn't. It looks like the fare controls on mezzanines of the Astoria el 'local' stops were altered to allow free reversal by a narrow passageway behind the booths. At first glance it looks like you can't do it. Briarwood/Van Wyck on the F has had Dual Fare Control since a police precinct now takes up the area of the mezzanine where such reversals would take place. There are signs at the bottom of the stairs from the platforms clearly stating this. No such signs exist at 75th Avenue, which has a full-length IND mezzanine, the center of which is within fare control and the peripheries outside fare control for the entire length. So you can't turn around there either. The same arrangement exists at 163rd on the C. Remember when the street level fare control at 72nd/Broadway was under renovation? Between roughly '98 and '02, there was Dual Fare Control. This caused endless confusion for people who assumed it was a typical four-track two-platform express stop with easy reversal of direction. It was made worse when a weekend GO had only express service one way or the other through 72nd. Some conductors didn't help matters by telling passengers to transfer at 72nd for bypassed stops. Another common trap occurs at 1st Avenue on the L where there's a small mezzanine a few steps up from platform level but still below street level. At least the NYC subway system allows free reversal at all terminals. PATH doesn't at Newark, nor does the MFL at 69th. On a trip to Boston in May '88, I discovered the same held true at the end of the Blue Line at Wonderland and the Red Line at Mattapan. A few months after that, I learned that MBTA introduced some kind of Unlimited arrangement. I was NOT happy. |
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