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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 10:11:11 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Mar 10 10:00:03 2008. Jamaica is irrelevant, because we're only looking at the effect of the $5 fare on ridership at Howard Beach.Jamaica is NOT irrelevant. I already stated why you can't use your "percentage" chart because of Jamaica. Jamaica, just by being added skews the statistics, and takes away percentages....major percentages....so OF COURSE, it will show Howard Beach holding a lesser percentage than Howard Beach had before airTrain. Again, remember the slice of pie analogy. Adding a whole extra slice will make all the percentages for everything else prior go down, just by being added. And yes, we don't know how many people went to Jamaica instead of Howard Beach, but we know they DID. You can't say "Hey look at how much Howard Beach went down after AirTrain started" for the SAME reason, as you don't know how many people left Howard Beach for Jamaica once it was another alternative with a similar timed train there. So don't tell me that "Jamaica is irrelevant" when it's taking people away from Howard Beach, but then try and flip it around and use the same stats to say "Hey, look how much HB decreased after AirTrain" knowing that Jamaica cannibalized some of HB's riders. Jamaica is VERY relevant. It carries 2 to 3 times the amount of people that Howard Beach does, and it's a MAJOR source of percentage of people coming in using mass transit. Because of Jamaica taking such a large percentage out of the pie, you can't use your percentage stats to say, "Look how much the percentage dropped at Howard Beach". (It's all marketing, of course; I think it was the Wall Street Journal that discovered the A to Howard Beach is still faster). There are MANY people that would not even use the connection if not for the fact that the train is there. People are WAY less likely to use mass transit if a bus is involved than if a train is involved, and HB's time is only about 1.5 minutes less than the Jamaica leg. And yes, that is probably because of the speed of Jamaica, and also because HB requires an extra stop, however, for anyone looking at the the schedule, BOTH show about 10 minutes. The one or two minutes will not make someone use Howard Beach instead of Jamaica if the E is more convenient for them, as the airtrains times are about the same (and the E is a lot faster for many people). That option didn't even exist in the Holy HB free shuttle bus days. |
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