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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Russ on Mon Jan 21 14:45:14 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by straphanger9 on Mon Jan 21 07:34:29 2008.

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The lines can handle 40tph if everyone behaves, so 30tph are scheduled. If there is a hickup, there is some cushion to get things back on schedule. What happens if the local gets jacked up? When it starts running again the front train runs express on the local tracks. I see this happen on the 6 on a regular basis. Yes, running the SAS onto the QB local tracks is one more merge, but that's life. If this is what serves passengers the best, then that's what the MTA should do. Severe line congestion? If Nyquil does not work, try a reroute. It happens all of the time. Running an SAS line this way at 10tph would have the local tracks operating at 30tph.

While I don't know what the QB's routes will be like in 15 years, I do know this. Part of the SAS plans include a connector to allow QB trains to access Second Avenue, south of 63rd Street, via the 63rd St tunnel. The MTA has also explicitly stated that there are no plans to use this for revenue service. If the capability is there, a cost benefit analysis will be conducted. One of the most intriguing potential benefits of an SAS/QB route is that it could relieve the 53rd/Lex station, as well as the E line and 6 line. It won't be a panacea, but it could help significantly.

If I had to bet, I'd say that the F and an SAS/QB route will share 63rd St., and this will help Roosevelt Island residents. I also believe that R will continue to run local so that QB riders continue to have access to 59/Lex. This is very important because if you take direct access to 59/Lex away from QB riders, demand to ride the E to 53/Lex will increase, and that is not a good thing at all.

So, what happens to the V? Hopefully it gets merged with the M and that it continues to operate at 10tph.

If extra merges prove to be a minor issue, there is still one major problem with running 30tph on the local tracks. Where do you turn 30tph? That's where a new local station immediately NE of Jamaica Yard would help (again, not my idea, but I think that it is great.) The station would lie in, or near the loop, and have three tracks with two island platforms. I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that this can turn 30tph.

The bottom line is that you don't permanently degrade a system to accommodate occasional problems. Problems are meant to be solved, not worshipped.

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