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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Sep 10 12:18:20 2007, in response to Re: Phila Inquirer: Gas prices, global warming renewing interest in high-speed rail, posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 10 05:16:48 2007. It all depends how you define the urban areas, doean't it?Well, they all seem to be pretty tight, apart from Greater Manchester, where they seem to have found every place they could affix a neighbouring urban area by a single street. In a small densely populated country, the definitions get difficult. Even so, the official urban area stats are pretty good. They at least generally indicate the same sort of thing, albeit with problems for the Urban Area figure for Manchester (which is inconsistent with other Urban Areas' definitions) and the subdivision figures for London (which are worse than useless*). Already you have Birmingham counted by itself as well as within the overall West Midlands figure. It's indented, as it's a subdivision (you might also have noticed that Urban Area codes end in 00). It just happens to be the largest subdivision by such a long way that it's larger than all but four urban areas. And, yes, that does exclude Sutton Coldfield. Arguably Manchester plus Liverpool is all one urban area, which gets you to over three million. Actually there's a better case for joining the Liverpool Urban Area and the Birkenhead Urban Area (see what I mean about the definitions being tight?). But if we're going to create any meta-urban areas, we might as well admit that the randstad phenomenon exists, whereby you might as well join Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham, Leicester, Coventry, Birmingham, etc etc etc. The Nottingham figure given must include Derby, to get to that number Actually, they're separate too: F90800 Nottingham Urban Area - - - 666,358 . F90808 Arnold - - - 37,402 . F90811 Beeston and Stapleford - - - 66,683 . F90814 Breaston - - - 7,305 . F90809 Carlton - - - 48,493 . F90817 Clifton - - - 22,312 . F90804 Eastwood - - - 18,612 . F90803 Heanor - - - 22,620 . F90801 Hucknall - - - 29,188 . F90815 Ilkeston - - - 37,270 . F90805 Kimberley - - - 11,027 . F90812 Long Eaton - - - 46,490 . F90806 Nottingham - - - 249,584 . F90802 Ripley - - - 18,523 . F90807 Ruddington - - - 6,264 . F90810 West Bridgford - - - 43,395 F80300 Derby Urban Area - - - 236,738 . F80302 Borrowash - - - 5,621 . F80301 Derby - - - 229,407 . F80303 Ockbrook - - - 1,710 but given the distances concerned you could equally well include Leicester too and get well past a million. Leicester is even distinguished from Loughborough. H07200 Leicester Urban Area - - - 441,213 . H07212 Beaumont Leys - - - 5,579 . H07204 Birstall - - - 11,480 . H07210 Blaby - - - 6,163 . H07211 Cosby - - - 3,647 . H07206 Groby - - - 6,256 . H07208 Kirby Muxloe - - - 9,500 . H07201 Leicester - - - 330,574 . H07203 Oadby - - - 22,679 . H07205 Queniborough - - - 2,257 . H07207 Ratby - - - 3,862 . H07209 Whetstone - - - 6,100 . H07202 Wigston - - - 33,116 F92900 Loughborough - - - 55,258 Midland Mainline has already proposed an 'East Midlands Parkway' station in the middle of the Nottingham-Derby-Leicester triangle, which could hypothetically be served by a future HSR system for connections with other services. IMHO, that would be very silly indeed. The idea of riding a bus from anywhere in Leicester to a field outside Loughborough fills me with horror. As your 'Impossible Ideal HSR' map shows, the problem in the UK is not a lack of large enough centres of population, or their distances apart, it is that the layout of them is not conducive to serving them all by one, or even two HSR lines. The other aspect is that the conventional lines are generally quite good, with the main exception of severe capacity problems in the centres of Birmingham, Leeds, and Manchester, plus a long stretch of the southern portion of the WCML. * Here are the worse than useless subdivision figures for London. Actually, that's slightly cruel: they've only made a totally lazy mess-up within the GLC boundary: K60200 Greater London Urban Area - - - 8,278,251 . K60261 Addlestone - - - 14,652 . K60254 Banstead/Tadworth - - - 38,664 . K60230 Barking and Dagenham - - - 163,944 . K60207 Barnet - - - 314,019 . K60239 Bexley - - - 211,802 . K60214 Brent - - - 263,464 . K60256 Bromley - - - 280,305 . K60204 Bushey - - - 17,001 . K60223 Camden - - - 198,020 . K60257 Caterham and Warlingham - - - 31,649 . K60245 Chertsey - - - 10,323 . K60209 Cheshunt - - - 55,275 . K60218 Chigwell - - - 10,128 . K60258 Chorleywood - - - 11,657 . K60227 City of London - - - 7,185 . K60255 Croydon - - - 316,283 . K60240 Dartford - - - 56,818 . K60220 Ealing - - - 300,948 . K60241 Egham - - - 27,666 . K60208 Enfield - - - 273,203 . K60251 Epsom and Ewell - - - 64,493 . K60248 Esher/Molesey - - - 50,344 . K60270 Gravesend - - - 53,045 . K60238 Greenwich - - - 219,263 . K60225 Hackney - - - 202,824 . K60221 Hammersmith and Fulham - - - 165,242 . K60215 Haringey - - - 216,507 . K60206 Harrow - - - 206,643 . K60231 Havering - - - 223,193 . K60201 Hemel Hempstead - - - 83,118 . K60213 Hillingdon - - - 242,755 . K60211 Hoddesdon - - - 35,235 . K60232 Hounslow - - - 212,341 . K60224 Islington - - - 175,797 . K60222 Kensington and Chelsea - - - 158,439 . K60202 Kings Langley - - - 7,072 . K60249 Kingston upon Thames - - - 146,873 . K60235 Lambeth - - - 267,785 . K60252 Leatherhead - - - 42,885 . K60237 Lewisham - - - 248,922 . K60217 Loughton - - - 41,078 . K60250 Merton - - - 187,908 . K60229 Newham - - - 243,891 . K60269 Northfleet - - - 23,457 . K60262 Ottershaw - - - 3,376 . K60219 Redbridge - - - 240,796 . K60233 Richmond upon Thames - - - 172,335 . K60212 Rickmansworth - - - 11,781 . K60260 Shepperton - - - 9,886 . K60205 South Oxhey - - - 16,918 . K60236 Southwark - - - 243,749 . K60243 Staines - - - 50,538 . K60244 Sunbury - - - 27,415 . K60242 Sunningdale/Ascot - - - 17,509 . K60253 Sutton - - - 177,796 . K60268 Swanscombe - - - 15,389 . K60228 Tower Hamlets - - - 196,106 . K60259 Virginia Water - - - 8,368 . K60210 Waltham Abbey - - - 17,675 . K60216 Waltham Forest - - - 218,341 . K60246 Walton and Weybridge - - - 52,890 . K60234 Wandsworth - - - 259,881 . K60203 Watford - - - 120,960 . K60267 West End - - - 4,135 . K60226 Westminster - - - 181,766 . K60263 Windlesham - - - 4,103 . K60247 Woking/Byfleet - - - 101,127 However, a vaguely useful aggregate figure can be obtained for a sort of "London" that approximates to the quality of definition of "Birmingham" as a subdivision: . K60223 Camden - - - 198,020 . K60227 City of London - - - 7,185 . K60225 Hackney - - - 202,824 . K60221 Hammersmith and Fulham - - - 165,242 . K60224 Islington - - - 175,797 . K60222 Kensington and Chelsea - - - 158,439 . K60235 Lambeth - - - 267,785 . K60237 Lewisham - - - 248,922 . K60236 Southwark - - - 243,749 . K60228 Tower Hamlets - - - 196,106 . K60234 Wandsworth - - - 259,881 . K60226 Westminster - - - 181,766 TOTAL 2,107,696 This is of course equivalent to the former LCC boundary minus Greenwich. Oh, and in case anyone thinks "hahaha, he missed the West End", West End is a village in Surrey near Esher. So, taking this figure for London and discarding all other subdivisions inside the GLC boundary as utter nonsense, the largest subdivisions (i.e. cities) in England and Wales are (with division lines at 1 million, and then recursive division by the cube root of 10, cut off at 100,000): 1) K60### London - - - 2,107,696 (217%) 2) G90708 Birmingham - - - 970,892 (100%) 3) D84104 Liverpool - - - 469,017 (48%) 4) D41306 Leeds - - - 443,247 (46%) 5) E17003 Sheffield - - - 439,866 (45%) 6) K24601 Bristol - - - 420,556 (43%) 7) D90235 Manchester - - - 394,269 (41%) 8) H07201 Leicester - - - 330,574 (34%) 9) H07002 Coventry - - - 303,475 (31%) 10) D70400 Kingston upon Hull - - - 301,416 (31%) 11) D41309 Bradford - - - 293,717 (30%) 12) K12202 Cardiff - - - 292,150 (30%) 13) E83203 Stoke-on-Trent - - - 259,252 (27%) 14) G90701 Wolverhampton - - - 251,462 (26%) 15) F90806 Nottingham - - - 249,584 (26%) 16) N11100 Plymouth - - - 243,795 (25%) 17) M66602 Southampton - - - 234,224 (24%) 18) K56801 Reading - - - 232,662 (24%) 19) F80301 Derby - - - 229,407 (24%) 20) G90704 Dudley - - - 194,919 (20%) 21) B81104 Newcastle upon Tyne - - - 189,863 (20%) 22) I28201 Northampton - - - 189,474 (20%) 23) M61703 Portsmouth - - - 187,056 (19%) 24) J60702 Luton - - - 185,543 (19%) 25) D21501 Preston - - - 184,836 (19%) 26) B81901 Sunderland - - - 177,739 (18%) 27) G46101 Norwich - - - 174,047 (18%) 28) G90702 Walsall - - - 170,994 (18%) 29) I91801 Swansea - - - 169,880 (17%) 30) M54502 Bournemouth - - - 167,527 (17%) 31) K80405 Southend-on-Sea - - - 160,257 (17%) 32) K35000 Swindon - - - 155,432 (16%) 33) D41320 Huddersfield - - - 146,234 (15%) 34) M54501 Poole - - - 144,800 (15%) 35) J41400 Oxford - - - 143,016 (15%) 36) C35004 Middlesbrough - - - 142,691 (15%) 37) D20304 Blackpool - - - 142,283 (15%) --) G90707 Oldbury/Smethwick - - - 139,855 (14%) ***NONSENSE RESULT -- ARBITRARY 1966-74 BOUNDARY*** (Assuming consistent proportions from 1939, Smethwick should be about 64,381, with the rest roughly halved between Oldbury and Rowley Regis) 38) D90206 Bolton - - - 139,403 (14%) 39) J94501 Ipswich - - - 138,718 (14%) 40) D50300 York - - - 137,505 (14%) 41) G90705 West Bromwich - - - 136,940 (14%) 42) H20700 Peterborough - - - 136,292 (14%) 43) D90247 Stockport - - - 136,082 (14%) 44) M83708 Brighton - - - 134,293 (14%) 45) K61001 Slough - - - 126,276 (13%) 46) J25301 Gloucester - - - 123,205 (13%) 47) K60203 Watford - - - 120,960 (12%) 48) I41203 Cambridge/Milton - - - 117,717 (12%) 49) E17002 Rotherham - - - 117,262 (12%) 50) K11401 Newport (South Wales) - - - 116,143 (12%) 51) M20600 Exeter - - - 106,772 (11%) 52) M91200 Eastbourne - - - 106,562 (11%) 53) G90706 Sutton Coldfield - - - 105,452 (11%) 54) D31201 Blackburn - - - 105,085 (11%) 55) J80800 Colchester - - - 104,390 (11%) 56) D90221 Oldham - - - 103,544 (11%) 57) D84106 St. Helens - - - 102,629 (11%) 58) K60247 Woking/Byfleet - - - 101,127 (10%) 59) L71402 Crawley - - - 100,547 (10%) |
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