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Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic)

Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jul 23 13:52:59 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by MATHA531 on Sun Jul 22 15:01:36 2007.

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MATHA:

The reason Milwaukee got the Brewers was because the Seattle Pilots went bankrupt in early 1970 (after just one season) as people in Seattle as I understand it at that time held up the building of what would eventually become the Kingdome (which opened for the 1976 inaugural season of the Seattle Seahawks). Bud Selig came in and bought the Pilots (so late in fact that Topps baseball cards for 1970 had "Seattle Pilots" for that team) and moved the team to Milwaukee to become the Brewers. MLB gave Seattle what would be the Mariners as expansion compensation because of the botching of the Pilots when they were in Seattle (and likely how Toronto got the Blue Jays that like the Mariners began in 1977).

As for Washington, there were stories the Griffiths, who owned the original Senators left for Minneapolis after the 1960 season (where they became the Twins) because they didn't like what was moving into DC at the time. Of course, the second Senators only lasted in Washington for 11 years from 1961-'71 because even though they played in what was in those days a very modern baseball stadium (RFK, which is the Nationals current home through the end of this season), Washington was much more of a "goverment town" at that time and not many cared about baseball. Washington now is a much different place from then, and I suspect when the Nationals move to their new park next season, they will see a huge jump in fans.

As for the Giants, had they moved to Minneapolis as some have said here, obviously the original Senators would not have moved there. Of course, one thing MLB could have done back then was allowed the Dodgers to move to LA and placed an expansion team in San Francisco (that could have perhaps taken the name of the minor league team there, the Seals?), with the Giants eventually moving into what became Shea Stadium to replace the Polo Grounds (perhaps if necessary moving into Ebbets Field for a few seasons while Shea was being built?) while a second expansion team was placed somewhere else (most likely Houston, which got the Colt 45s that would after 1964 become the Astros as the second expansion team with the Mets in 1962).

Very interesting stuff.

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