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Re: Reopening old underpasses - Atlantic Av IRT

Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:08:29 2006, in response to Re: Reopening old underpasses - Atlantic Av IRT, posted by Scott at FFFP on Wed Aug 30 11:02:07 2006.

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Oooh! An anti-arena advocate! I'm just salivating at this!

Use of the tunnel would also reaffirm Ratner's skycrapers as an island unto themselves, failing the notion of linking Fort Greene and Prospect Heights. Much like riders on the old Train to the Plane, who avoided exposure to nearly all of Brooklyn (save the Jay Street station), visitors to Brooklyn would never have to walk our streets. Instead, they would be hermetically whisked from the station into Ratner's arena and towers.

Most of the businesses you've mentioned are out of the way anyways. Even if they do come up to the surface, they won't be going by these shops. So, the point is moot either way.

Ratner's project would be a disaster on so many levels. Transit is one of them. Though its location -- across the street from the Atlantic Avenue hub -- is touted as perfect for a development this huge, it's anything but.

As a lot of you know, the Atlantic/Pacific subway station just underwent a rehab project lasting years. It was all done with no knowledge of Ratner's 16 skyscrapers. The station is already dangerously crowded. The current rehab on the LIRR station, same thing -- no planning for the Atlantic Yards project.

In addition (as you also know), the Atlantic/Pacific station is a horizontal hub, not a vertical terminus. It's designed for transfers, not disembarkations. Using Ratner's logic, the best place in Manhattan to build a skyscraper complex would be atop the West 4th Street station, with all those lines passing beneath. The LIRR station is a vertical point, but most of the crowds heading to the arena would be straphangers, not suburban commuters.


That is wrong on so many levels. Though Atlantic-Pacific is a transfer complex, it's design lends to excellent street access. The number of platforms on the IRT at atlantic is remniscient of Penn Station on the West Side IRT and IND lines: 3 platforms instead of 2 help to ease crowding. And the convergence of lines in this area (every line in brooklyn passes though the area, except for the L and J trains) means that access is easy for people both going to and coming from the complex.

Ratner's Atlantic Yards project may have some flaws. But it's not the boondoggle that selfish brooklynites are making it out to be.

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