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Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning |
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Posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 14 23:23:41 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 19:10:06 2006. Being detained without articulable suspicion is harassment. Taking his camera is harassment. Telling him to put his camera away and leave (i.e. no more photos) is harassment. Being prevented from going on about his legal hobby after it was clear Jarid was not a threat was harassment. Telling Jarid that stuff like this can be turned over to the FBI was harassment. No doubt. But this isn't time for negotiations, especially if one or both parties are agitated by the event. Jarid: I'm partaking in a legal activity and I do not wish to provide any further information. You're not a lawyer. Jarid is not a lawyer. You are both correct in this case, but you don't know what that cop was thinking. If I were the cop, just that kind of defiant answer will make me want to swing my dick at you more and detain you further, however wrong that might be on my part, just to teach you not to give a police officer a hard time. I'll gamble with your filing a complaint with the CCRB because of my actions. If you would've given me your ID, I would have probably just said, "Have a nice day. But be careful because you may arouse suspicion in people." Apparently it didn't happen here, but one has never gotten the advantage or had their life made easier by going against the cop. Cops ask for ID all the time without cause. One major and glaring example is when they conduct those roadblocks or dragnets and check your seatbelt usage or just ask for your paperwork without any suspicion that you are somehow up to no good by driving your automobile. I don't agree with it, but I don't fight it either. I know nothing will happen to me, and it just may remove some bad apples from our midst. Huh? What if the officer started erasing photos? He made Jarid hand him the camera. Then Ka-Ching! for Jarid. They're only photos of a fucking subway train. Okay, maybe even a picture of car 7692 on tracks it usually doesn't operate on. But even if they were diamond rings and they were destroyed unnecessarily by the Police Department, Jarid has a claim against them, for however much those pictures or the camera was worth. He has a claim against the cop, and he can sue the city and the cop for $20M if he wants to if he can prove the value of the property that was destroyed or deleted. You just seem intent on minimizing your paperwork hassles at the expense of everybody else's safety, real or imagined. Again, I am not against rail photographers or rail photography. But I am against the attitude of many of us that "we'll show those cops who's right!" when we get questioned, detained, or otherwise subject to review. This is the same fucking attitude that caused the end of MOD trips, and God knows what else it will cause down the line. |
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