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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 18 23:47:43 2006, in response to Re: Study Re: Here comes Staten Is. Light Rail, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 18 18:15:40 2006. I've worked with stuff from URS, compared to groups like Pennoni, Urban, and other firms they're damn good, right up there with Parsons and such. When I was surveying my boss loved the stuff they'd feed us and when I was with Philly water the contract drawings done by URS were among the clearest and best done drawings we had. This as compared to the crap we got from Pennoni which was cluttered and sometimes ambiguousParsons-Brinckerhoff, you're comparing URS to? Their claim to fame was that their founder designed the IRT; such a different era from today (that was a NYC throwing off the chains of the Boss Tweed types). Once these engineers go independent, funny things happen. It's clear you have no experience with these companies Not true. I know exactly how engineers work, and they're all about trouble and drinking coffee. The craft has been ruined since the days of Robert Moses (almost said "days of wine and roses" as a bit of rhyming slang). San Fransisco, home to perhaps the best modernized trolley system Hmm, I alone must be stoic but everyone else can throw their opinions out there. That's funny. Apples and oranges anyway, because this LRT system at least was not a new-build, or a conversion from heavy to light as it were. Either you accept that an established system like SEPTA or the MBTA's Green Lines is an example, or your argument is moot Sorry, but there are several kinds of LRT system; they are not all alike. Neither of the above are examples of conversion from heavy to light, either. With an estimated cost of 68 million dollars per mile it's not really that cheap an LRT system Oh, it's cheap enough, and it's way underestimated. Watch costs go up and upper as things drag on. Eventually, the heavy rail option will seem cheap. If NJTRO had taken the line without purchasing it from CSAO we'd have GP40PH-2Bs sucking back 8 times the fuel per trip and running every two hours on a schedule which may or may not get held up by a freight somewhere on the line Uh, if NJT management would stop treating NJTRO like a red-headed stepchild and giving projects to outsiders, they would have had something far superior to what Bechtel gave 'em. FRA DMUs can do 2-3 mpg, not very far behind the Stadler DLRV; it's NJT management putting the boot on NJTRO's neck insofar as MUs, and we all know this. And using traditional FRA rail would have allowed for use of Track 3 at the NEC Trenton Station (instead of building an "upstairs station" that lots of people complain about not being able to connect to), not to mention pave the way for the restoration of the east-west connector to the AC line in Pennsauken (instead of having passengers and foam alike clamoring for a "transfer station" that nobody will use). |
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