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Re: Study Re: Here comes Staten Is. Light Rail

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jun 18 17:50:35 2006, in response to Re: Study Re: Here comes Staten Is. Light Rail, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 18 14:24:04 2006.

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Don't you mean "pothead interns"? This is a report that's biased in favor of LRT. Even worse, it's by URS Corporation—a government contractor that'll say what a politician wants them to say. (What the hell do they know about rail? I'd believe a foamer before them. Another strike against them, being based in SF.)

Plenty of "reports" and "studies" that skewed things in favor of high platforms, remember . . . ? meanwhile, Metrolink out in LA and GO Transit in Toronto show that low platforms can indeed be equal, if not superior.


Do you know the details of how the cars will be built? Thought so.

Unless you're a rail, you're a foamer as well, bottom line, so you're knocking yourself. And how do you know I'm not a rail? Only a rail could tell (and not a nine-year "old head" like someone else on this board). Consultants are foamers as well.

You, sir, must hate transport for urban areas, advocating for a rail line to Scranton that would be a waste of money.

Like you know the area? You're relying on a report written by pothead interns, remember?

YOU are familiar with the area? HELLO! The area along the North Shore (assuming the line will parallel the former North Shore line) could use a LOT of redevelopment, as it is a lot of junkyards, especially between West New Brighton and Port Richmond (and again by the Bayonne Bridge).

at least read the report to find out that there are indeed crossings which cannot simply be closed

This is what they said in their report:

Title to a parcel adjacent to the Right-of-Way (the Blissenbach property, formerly a private marina) was acquired by the PANYNJ and transferred to the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation for preservation and public use. If the Right-of-Way again becomes active, this property, as well as each of the industrial facilities in this area, would require continued access to sustain established activities. In this section of the alignment, four to six at-grade crossings would be necessary.

They would be creating new crossings thanks to encroachment. They're trying to go the cheap route and avoid building a new elevated structure. (But of course, they'll have nice new LRVs to crash into . . .)


What traffic? The busiest streets are Richmond Avenue, Hylan Boulevard, and Victory Boulevard, none of which are anywhere NEAR the line. Besides, our drivers are 1 TRILLION times better than Houston drivers. FURTHERMORE. SI is suburbia within the City of NY. Traffic on Richmond Terrace would be slowed VERY minimally by grade crossings that may be blocked for about 30 seconds---WHOOP DE F'N DO!

Sorry, only anecdotes. Remember LRVs getting knocked off the track by dumptrucks at grade crossings in Jersey City?

ISOLATED INCIDENT if it did happen. It was the dump truck's fault for refusing to heed the streetlights.

Subway surface is trolleys, not modern light rail. Further, look at the capacity to operator ratio, never mind capacity of vehicle. Start putting POP on your subway-surface, and watch headways get longer, longer, longer—look at what happened to the Newark Subway. (And the lovely "study" thereof distinguishes "streetcar" from LRT.)

HA HA HA! Streetcars and light rail transit are synonyms. Who miseducated you? Actually, POP on subway-surface would help headways, as it would be fewer lights to lose on the surface. (Whether or not you would have enough cars to cope now with faster boarding and much less dwell, that can be resolved.)

Why would they do that? Remember, they're pushing for the cheap version of light rail.

And you should be believed---pushing for a true boondoggle in rail to Scranton? Those people should move to the NJ side of the border if they want rail transit---they chose extreme commuting, let them live with it.

Yeahh, for $1 billion (NJT got the Bordentown secondary for their River LINE). If they had actually used people at NJTRO for the project instead of giving it to political hacks (they're only doing that now since the Comet V debacle), it would have cost a third of that, and they wouldn't even have had to buy the ROW from CSA.


WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! It cost a rather cheap $67.5M to acquire the line, a great bargain looking at things. Prior to the RiverLINE, South Jersey transport was extremely fractured, considering the 409 isn't too reliable.

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