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Re: Is the subway in NYC really that bad?

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 8 15:25:45 2026, in response to Re: Is the subway in NYC really that bad?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 8 13:22:05 2026.

They got rid of those decades ago because the foreigners couldn't read English !

The "they" refers to the federal government. The latest (Dec 2025) Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) contains the following requirements for pedestrian signals:

Section 4A.06 Meanings of Pedestrian Signal Indications
Standard:
01 Pedestrian signal indications shall have the following meanings:
A. A flashing WALKING PERSON (symbolizing WALK) signal indication has no meaning and shall not be used.
B. Pedestrians facing a steady WALKING PERSON (symbolizing WALK) signal indication shall be permitted to start to cross the roadway in the direction of the signal indication, possibly in conflict with turning vehicles. Pedestrians shall yield the right-of-way to vehicles lawfully within the intersection at the time that the WALKING PERSON (symbolizing WALK) signal indication is first shown.
C. Pedestrians facing a flashing UPRAISED HAND (symbolizing DONT WALK) signal indication shall not start to cross the roadway in the direction of the signal indication. Any pedestrian who has already started to cross the roadway on a steady WALKING PERSON (symbolizing WALK) signal indication shall continue to proceed to the far side of the traveled way of the street or highway, unless otherwise directed by a traffic control device to proceed only to the median of a divided highway or only to some other island or pedestrian refuge area (see Section 3C.12).
D. Pedestrians facing a steady UPRAISED HAND (symbolizing DONT WALK) signal indication shall not enter the roadway in the direction of the signal indication.


One requirement for receiving federal highway funds is that states conform to the MUTCD, unless they receive specific permission to differ in specific instances.

There was a time, when there was no such requirement. There were significant differences between states. NYC used to have only red and green traffic signals - no yellow aspect. There was a steady red-green aspect, which took the place of the yellow. Massachusetts had 3-color traffic signals. There was also a steady red-yellow aspect that had a special meaning. The New England states also had different hand signals for turning and stopping. They differed between the states. They did have a tri-state law: it was illegal for a driver with a license in one state to drive a vehicle with registration in another state in a third state. If you want to avoid anarchy, it's best to have uniform signals and regulations that can be understood by the greatest number of people.


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