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Re: Unipartisan Infrastructure Bill vote

Posted by Bill West on Thu Aug 5 03:26:49 2021, in response to Re: Unipartisan Infrastructure Bill vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 21:12:18 2021.

Recap:
Chuck -reports that some people are arguing for some transportation spending
Andrew -it's supportive people from all forms of transportation
Bill -they are arguing that someone else should pay for their transportation, but that's not honest
Spider -it's not people, it's the economy
Bill -phrases like "the economy" don't commit dishonesty, it's people who do. Their actions may affect their money and that gets reported as "the economy" but it's still people who are being dishonest.

Soapbox (the political term):
-It is a personal choice to structure one's activities on one's own dime and not on forcibly taking someone else's'. A thousand other crooks doesn't excuse it.
-Just because transportation, the whole "economy" or any other activity has long been done in a certain way doesn't automatically mean it's ever been honest.
-People's tendency to group for finding solutions and for the comfort of group think doesn't give them an excuse to be dishonest.
-More on topic, if a transportation advocacy group's solution can't be done without other people's money then they are mistaken in thinking it's a solution. They should revisit what they are trying to do with their lifestyle and check the path down from there to their transportation desires. Any step that forcibly need's other people's money to work is a mistaken idea. For the case in hand, road users should pay for catching up the politician's failure to collect enough depreciation funds to keep the roads in good shape. Then ditto for the other forms of transportation. If the Feds fund every local road jurisdiction in the country then every Federal taxpayer is going to pay for it. That gives no saving over those same people paying through their local taxes, is less transparent as to the real road costs and invites political corruption. Is that what we want to encourage?

Most basically we have to think about other people's right to run their life if we want them to respect our running of ours. This applies to debating transportation directly as well as in OT's broader arguing about politics.

Bill

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