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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Fri Apr 28 00:11:18 2017, in response to Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 27 11:48:46 2017. Hello Tunnel Rat - Steve !You are unfortunately, somewhat tho partially, incorrect ! It is confirmed by my quite very many photos that I had taken on that R-o-W site in Feb. 1964 and in May 1964, from E. 174th St JCT north to E. 180th St, and seen by countless many in my FLICKR NYW&B RR Album of such images, and others who know the area well, including retired NHRR / PC engineer Noel Weaver, and of course my NYW&B Railway Historian late-pal Roger Arcara knew back then, that........... (a) -- there was NEVER, ever, COVERED 3rd Rail on ANY of the, those, tracks BELOW at least the E. 177th St Trestle overpass south to E. 174th st junction . (b) -- And NEVER COVERED 3rd Rail on any portion of the, any, tracks prior to at least 1972-3, if not later. And it was uncovered EL style 3rd rail. And emphatically NEVER 3rd rail south down to the NHRR Connection switch to the NHRR Main !! NEVER!! See BELOW just a few of my very many more Feb. 1964 photos, with captions, that I took on the R-o-W site; as found in my FLICKR Album; =========================================================== SOUTH in Feb. 1964 under E. 174St Bridge to ex-NYW&B N/B Express track and switch to NHRR S/B Main Local Track and NO THIRD RAIL visible - as a NHRR Crew and train gets ready to back NYCTA Hoppers north over the junction to E. 180th St  NORTH in Feb. 1964 along the NYW&B Embankment as a string of NYCTA Hoppers is pushed upgrade on the ex-NYW&B N/b Express track by a rear pushing NHRR RS-3 Diesel. The S/B local track and its gravel on the embankment have both been severely eroded away and damaged from years of derail-rolling EL and Subway cars off so as to tumble and fall to the left (west) to the grounds below to be scrapped  NORTH in Feb. 1964 to under and beyond the E. 174th St road overpass bridge showing the former N/B ex-NYW&B Express now actively maintained interchange track heading upgrade from the NHRR Junction behind us, and NO THIRD RAIL ! The SIGN indicates that NHRR CREWS are to operate to the NEXT Sign, which is located on the Trestle near Loretto Street.  NORTH in Feb 1964 along the "active" maintained former NYW&B N/B Express track used for interchange trains -- note NO third rail at this point and up thru and past the Cross Bronx Expressway  NORTH in Feb. 1964 to just under the cross Bronx X-way where the former NB Express track was diverted right to mate up with the parallel N/B Local track -- and NO 3rd RAIL visible. BUT NOTE that uncovered El style 3rd Rail comes southward from the OTHER side of the overpass, and ends under the center of the overpass along the left side of the active track !  NORTH in Feb. 1964 along former NYW&B N/B truncated and abandoned, disconnect Express track, with the active interchange track shited to the N/B local track location at right, and its uncovered El style 3rd rail plainly seen somewhat just north of where the 3rd Rail ended ! Also, a bit north is seen where the 4-track R-o-W earth embankment ended, and the concrete decked 4 track steel trestle viaduct begins at the visible E. 177th Street overpass bridge.  SO - I rest My Case !! Steve, my long ago having been told, heh, that you were seen in an old B&W photo taken in late October 1904 on the Grand Central Subway Station platform of the late Oct. 1904 opening of the lst IRT Subway I now sadly realize, heh, your extreme old age is likely finally catching up with you !! You ARE CORRECT, however, that covered 3rd rail was on the former NB Local track, thru the E. 180th St Station. The IRT EL Gate Shuttle cars used subway type 3rd rail shoes when starting IRT Dyre Ave. Shuttle service in May 1941 from Dyre Terminal to and out from the former N/B Local track of the ex-NYW&B E. 180th St Station. ALSO the 3rd rail extended south from that station and track onto the trestle, but uncovered EL Style, to a temporary bumper just south of Loretto Street. I have a photo of it in my collection. So Shuttle EL cars could be stored on that track and go no further south then (1941-1945) I have a photo in 1972 and in 1997 showing, YES -- covered 3rd rail thru that station track and south from the N/B island station platform to the Trestle -- but I remember a BUMPER for some period of time on the former N/B local track somewhere above the E. 177th St crossing trestle. By 1972, the switch to the NHRR was gone and there was no more interchange capabilities and thus no further need nor reason to use ANY of the downgrade-descending 4 tracks south of E. 178th Street at the very south. Regards - Joe F ! |
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