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Re: Silverliner V problems

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 5 11:16:19 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 5 08:40:08 2016.

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Some cut & pastes from Facebook why the SL-II & III"s were retired.

High maintenance costs, wearing parts, and a fundamental incompatibility with the rest of the fleet (even before the Vs arrived) can. You can't have your old stuff forever. This is a public transit agency, not an operating transit museum.

They were decommissioned by the FRA, basically meaning that the cars couldn't run on Tracks expected by the FRA.

The FRA didn't like the fact, the side doors were plug doors (meaning they had to be opened manually by an conductor) and had all SL-II and IIIs run on waivers allowing them to operate longer with the manual doors. July 1st 2012 was the deadline for any SL-II/III could run in service so septa was basically forced to retire them as well as the fact the SL-Vs needed yard space and the older cars were taking up much needed space. Unfortunately this isn't like the NYC Subway where you can pull out reserve fleet of older cars, we are limited on our options.
The FRA also cited lack of PA systems and other unspecified non-compliant emergency features in setting a final date for the Budds and Louies as well.

Manual doors alone are not a deal-breaker. The Shore Line East Mafersa fleet are manual-door cars. Most of Boston's fleet are manual-door cars (on cars with power doors, they generally only use in power mode on the Old Colony routes, which have all high-level platform stations.

Just one thing different about those MBTA, they slide, compared to being swing plug doors. Idk the case with MFSE cars.

Plug doors are actually what are on the Acelas... (and the N-5's). The rest are just simply manual doors, whether sliding or on hinges.

The MFSE cars are sliders too.

Non powered doors, something to do with the flooring and quite frankly, they were old as hell.

Honestly the III'S could of stayed a couple of more years.. but they were well past their useful life. Practically 3 railroads... lol

I'm sure if SEPTA knew this was going to happen, they would of kept the IIs and III's as well as the Comets...

This reminds me of the Ford/Firestone fiasco back in the mid 90's

The Silverliner IIIs were in bad shape for a long time. They were long overdue, even after their early 1990s rebuilding.

The FRA mandate waivers were being expired. The Budds and Louies would still reach the same fate by 2016.

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