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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 14 12:23:01 2016, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station/Lexington Avenue Line Use, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 14 08:01:30 2016. Wallyhorse,1) I do not question your sincerity at wanting to propose transit solutions. I question your proposals and ideas, often. 2) Your proposal for restoring the Bowling Green/South Ferry Shuttle is simple and straight forward. Unlike your other schemes this time there was no re-structuring of transit lines all over the map to achieve your goals. 3) Is there is a REAL NEED to restore the shuttle using the outer platform at South Ferry? This can only happen after the newer South Ferry station has been reconstructed. 4) Does solving this REAL NEED cost a huge amount of money? Or fit within the MTA's best interests & goals, and actually helps the riders? The MTA over time has eliminated certain problem areas: 5) By not running the shuttle and having riders walk to/from the ferry at the Bowling Green station, the MTA eliminated certain train maintenance, manpower, and supervision issues for decades. 6) By closing the old South Ferry outer loop station, the MTA also reduced station maintenance and manpower issues, supervision issues, and an "environmental and transit" hazard. The outer loop station is NOT and has never been handicapped accessible. Hurricane Sandy forced the MTA to repair and re-open the South Ferry loop station after both (old and newer stations) were filled with salt water. (After the storm for a time the Rector Street stop was the last station on the #1 line.) Current repair work at the South Ferry complex has reduced the number of entrances/exits back to what existed in 1999 - the single stairway entrance of the old South Ferry loop station, and just two stairways to the R-train at the southernmost entrance on Whitehall Street. All of the other entrances and exits at the park plaza are now closed for re-construction. 7) One major reason for walking the distance between the Bowling Green station and the Whitehall Ferry Terminal - is time. The walk can be done in 3-5 minutes for most able-bodied folk, especially when it is close to "ferry time". People move fast when it is close to ferry time. It is great (fantastic) that the ferries run at every half-hour all of the time - except rush hours with boats running 15 or 20 minutes apart. However there is still a time penalty for missing a ferry! Rushing to the ferry terminal to catch a boat & missing that boat remains a time honored tradition. Missing a ferry makes one LATE!! Being late brings negative sanctions! The serious crowd control issues thought to have been eliminated with the opening of the new terminal and subway complex have been restored. Being relegated at all hours to the first five cars of a train has never been a “great feature.” Those crowd control issues were never helpful to the riders. 8) Your proposed shuttle would have to run often, as in very often for Ferry bound folk to venture to take a chance on using it. With #5 trains running at 10 minutes apart after 9pm, or the #6 running at 20 minutes apart during the midnight hours - very few time concerned folks are going to be waiting at the Bowling Green station for a ride to South Ferry. One problem with restoring a Bowling Green/South Ferry shuttle has been that current #4 and #5 trains are often frequent enough during the workday-times. Meaning that the stream of ferry riders gets “smoothed out” during the walk, and that the newish Bowling Green station is large enough to handle the crowds with its multiple entrances and exits. Folks leaving the ferry headed uptown may take a chance on your shuttle only if the frequency of service is high enough, with durable quick connections to uptown trains. 9) Wallyhorse, in order to make this proposal actually occur you’d have to argue that the current “good enough” situation has changed to “there is a strong need to do this despite the costs”. Good luck with that. |
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