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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Oct 23 03:21:14 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 22 23:09:36 2014. 1915 or'16 sticks in my head as the date - either read it or was told it.funny though, you mentioned 1918, and that for some reason sticks in my head as well. Below, is a URL for Public Service Commission report for 1916 page 192. the reports details the PSC discussions, (during the previous years, 1914/ 1915) with the IRT about replacing Composites in the subway with steel cars. http://books.google.com/books?id=BrsbAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=public+service+commission+wood+subway+cars&source=bl&ots=KxUkfif0Pw&sig=_KQWdNdrgGfq14CrWq4VzXYFXPk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bpNIVOe0Gs-PNuHJgIAJ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=public%20service%20commission%20wood%20subway%20cars&f=false To quote from this text: On January 12, 1915 the Commission issued an order "A" directing the Interborough Rapid Transit Company to retire from operation on its subway lines known as the Manhagttan-Bronx rapid transit railroad and the Brooklyn-Manhattan rapid transit railroad, the cars of wooden construction known as copper-sheathed Composite cars ...on the subway lines and replace the cars with cars of all steel construction...beginning such retirement and replacement by May 1, 1915 and completing the same by December 1915; thereafter not to put into service on its subway lines any of the cars of wooden construction so replaced and not to operate any casr on the subway lines for ... passengers except cars of steel construction...after the ... replacement of any of the wooden cars... not to put any of such ... cars into service on its subway lines... [elided text refers to: extending the deadline for IRT's replacement of Composites to April 1, 1916] ... Under date of March 23, 1916 the company wrote to the commission ... that all composite passenger bodies had been removed from subway service ... the Commission on April 6, 1916 ordered the aforementioned communications be filed. so that's where the 1915 date comes from. I realize the above might only refer to the IRT's rolling stock, and not an outright ban of operating wooden cars anywhere in the subway. Interesting too that they refer to the IRT Brooklyn Lines (contract 3) as the Brooklyn-Manhattan rapid transit railroad. This from nycsubway.org Culver Line page: (As a result of the Malbone Street BRT disaster of November 1st, 1918, wooden cars were not permitted to run in the subway). so, research was done for that article the gives the 1918 date. I'm wondering though, would you be to provide/ find some kind of primary source for the 1918 date. It would be much appreciated. If you can't, and got the info. from a secondary source I understand. However, even with the 1918 ban I have a question about the C-types. Previous post said they operated [in subway] through the Nassau Loop, but they were not built until 1923-1925. That's five years after the 1918 date. long post. thanks for reading. - PS - Larry Redbird could you help out here with a source for the 1918 ban? if so, thanks. |
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