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Re: Culver Express

Posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 23 15:28:11 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 14:33:33 2014.

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I am going to try again.

Asking and checking that all of the passengers on a G-train has left the train before the train goes into the layup area for a terminate and relay operation - is basically the same operation as:

Asking and checking that all of the passengers on a F-train has left the train before the train goes into the layup area for a terminate and relay operation. The need for passenger removal would be present regardless of the train size.

The length of the train may mean that passenger removal operation may take a bit longer, but that is not the same as saying the passenger removal operation can not be done at all. (There may be scheduling or manpower changes to accomplish something, but that is another issue entirely.)

The fact that G-trains are currently sized at 300-feet, and F-trains are sized at 600-feet - would not make a difference concerning the necessity of the passenger removal procedure. One would have to do the passenger removal procedure regardless.

The decision to have 300-feet G-trains, and 600-feet F-trains is a policy decision by the MTA. Any day the MTA could decide and purchase enough cars to have 600-feet G-trains. There is nothing within the physical plant that precludes that idea.

(Now there could indeed be physical plant reasons for not having 975-foot long trains, but I've never argued for such a length of trains, or that they could be accommodated.)

Church Avenue was designed and built to terminate and relay full-length IND trains, and full-length IND trains are 600-feet. To now say that such an operation is now impossible because it now takes a bit longer time than it used to in the past - simply does not pass muster.

Have the layup tracks at Church Avenue been shortened so as to not hold a 600-foot train under any circumstance?

Another example:

It is like saying that currently #2 and #5 trains terminate at Flatbush Avenue/Brooklyn College, so it is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE for a #3 or a #4 to EVER under any circumstance NOW to terminate at the Flatbush Avenue/Brooklyn College station.

Most transit fans would say, "REALLY" to such a statement. Then they would start to ask questions.

Mike

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