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Re: SEPTA to spend $100 million on PTC (unfunded federal mandate); other projects take hit

Posted by J trainloco on Mon Mar 5 18:19:38 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA to spend $100 million on PTC (unfunded federal mandate); other projects take hit, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Mar 5 11:17:29 2012.

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I'm not sure that making a detailed reply to you even makes sense, since the tenor of your reply seems to indicate that you think I am a total idiot and i'm incapable of even being able try out thinking with my inadequate brain. I will point out a few quick things:

1. Even if the cost of PTC is double what SEPTA estimates that's still $600,000 per mile. That's a fraction of the cost estimated for even starting up commuter services on existing rail lines (I see estimates of 5-7M per mile). It's an even smaller fraction of new services.
2. Remote hacking of CBTC would still require the local physical presence of a device to pick up the signal. Remote hacking is certainly possible of a number of non CBTC CTC rail facilities.
3. Your disdain for rapid transit is duly noted. It's worth pointing out that Rapid transit is able to accommodate a far greater number of passengers than commuter rail operations are capable of, and many of them already include at least some aspects of PTC, which you claim hinders performance.
4. More than a few would be benefitted by PTC. It would benefit everyone who uses the lines, not simply the few whose lives are saved by avoiding accidents we'll never know of.
5. By your own metric (which seems to be that we should only take a reactionary approach to safety), Cab signalling is a waste of money too.

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