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Posted by Joe on Mon Sep 12 15:34:33 2011, in response to Re: Question - Dyre Avenue Line, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 15:05:07 2011. Regarding the "BOT" map service guide of 1948 as reproduced in Mr. Baumann's post of 9:38 today:I may be wrong, but my recollection of the maps posted at the time of the introduction of many transfer points (fare increase of July 1, 1948), the Board of Transportation did not produce its own map but used an updated version of the Hagstrom map, on which the three divisions were given equal prominence. Until that time, maps posted in trains usually showed only the train's division (IRT, BMT, or IND) or, if they showed the other divisions they showed the routes less completely with lighter lines. In 1948, the Board paid Hagstrom a bundle for laminated maps to be hung at each station, maps which used the Hagstrom color scheme for the divisions, together with narrow lines for elevated routes. I do not recall where I saw the chart Mr. Baumann posted, but I did see it somewhere at the time, whether in stations, inside cars, or as a hand-out map that was financed by a outside advertiser (as New York Telephone, for example). ---- Not only did the Hagstrom maps carry their copyright notice, but they also could be spotted for unique marks (a guard against unauthorized reproduction), such as a red tail at the end of some IND routes, suggesting extensions in the future. About the same time, one 42nd Street bank, perhaps the Union Bank for Savings, published a non-Hagstrom map. ---- If memory is correct, smaller versions of the Hagstrom map first appeared in new subway cars, either on the Flushing line or on the A. In each case, I believe Hagstrom assigned Dyre Avenue IRT blue, not IND red, but that was Hagstrom's choice. ---- Another memory that proves nothing in this discussion: The entrance signs at the Dyre Avenue stations were IND enamel: white letters on green background. And the cars were Interborough gate cars! ---- Thanks to those who have contributed to this discussion. Joe McMahon |
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