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Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street

Posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 25 14:45:07 2011, in response to Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 21 07:17:27 2011.

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With the length and number of sub posts in this thread, I'm not exactly sure where to put this but the end of the entire thread seems a good place. Since apparently there was a lot of non transit construction going on in the area as well as transit work, as I mentioned in some other posts, it could be possible that some other city department like water supply or even a private company like Con Ed or Bkln Union Gas might have built the infrastructure past the wall at the end of the known subway. It may be that the other agency or company was informed of the impending subway construction and opted to excavate the area for both utilities and the subway rather than have their newly installed utilities dug up again for the subway construction. That may explain why the MTA may have no records of such construction since it may not have been built by the B of T and therefore there would be no records to transfer. There are 2 other documented instances of similar construction vagaries. As per a PSC report circa 1915, the BMT 4 Av subway was built in the west side of 4 Av S/O 65 St with room left for an additional 2 tracks in case the subway were to be expanded to 4 tracks at a future date. The existing tracks would have become a S/B lcl and exp track of such a subway. With this in mind, the PSC requested that the Bkln Edison Co which was building in the area at the time, construct its circuit breaker chambers as small sections of subway tunnel so that should the line be expanded, the additional tunnel sections could be easily connected to them. That is why the NYCTA records don't show any such construction even though it exists. Those sections were not built either by or for the PSC or any dual contract subcontractor and so as far as the TA is concerned they were never built and do not exist. A similar situation exists in Washington Hts Manhattan with 174 St Yd. The Board of Ed was building PS 173 around the same time as the subway plans were made public. Rather than have the school and its adjacent schoolyard underpinned during subway construction, the B of Ed built the yard itself and all the B of T had to do was merely connect the yard leads when the rest of the subway was built. In the case of 174 St Yd unlike the 4 Av subway and 76 St, the infrastructure was put to use and remains so to this day thus the documentation is readily available. If 76 St does exist and additionally, is not itself actually in use by any agency or utility company, any records of its construction may have by now either been destroyed or at best may be extremely difficult to find since nobody but transit historians like us would really know what to look for or even care about it or know what it is even if they found it.

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