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Re: EVERYyear(2012) List of DOUCHEBAGS - SUBWAYSURF |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jul 2 06:51:37 2012, in response to Re: EVERYyear(2012) List of DOUCHEBAGS - SUBWAYSURF, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sun Jul 1 10:22:03 2012. YOU ARE TRULY A SHITHEAD, YOU MAKE LUCH AND OLAG LOOK GOOD. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Mon Jul 2 12:51:01 2012, in response to Re: EVERYyear(2012) List of DOUCHEBAGS - SUBWAYSURF, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jul 2 06:51:37 2012. Now you sound just like the Turtle. Congratulations. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 2 15:01:41 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Jul 1 18:53:46 2012. What makes you think The Chinese are not pulling Obama's strings, right now?Open your eyes, you anal aperture. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jul 2 16:49:40 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 2 15:01:41 2012. OOOOhhhhh. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jul 2 16:51:05 2012, in response to Re: EVERYyear(2012) List of DOUCHEBAGS - SUBWAYSURF, posted by mcorivervsaf on Mon Jul 2 12:51:01 2012. Actually, you have a brain. Olog and Luch do not. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 2 17:05:03 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jul 2 16:49:40 2012. That was not the sound of your eyes opening! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 2 20:54:22 2012, in response to Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 00:30:43 2012. Looking at the List, everyone on the List is happy that Obamacare won in the SCOTUS. And I'll bet not a single member of the List will benefit personally, or knows anyone who will benefit from Obamacare. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 22:00:04 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 2 20:54:22 2012. I think that bing-bong has said that she will benefit from the law which means that so does Selkirk. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 22:40:55 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 22:00:04 2012. Actually, we both benefit from corporate policy. All covered. You'll have to forgive bingbong for worrying about people other than herself. We both know LOTS of people who've been shafted by insurance companies and when I worked for somebody ELSE, both of us got shafted. We solved that problem. But there's still plenty of people who go to the emergency room for a toothache and add thousands to YOUR taxes because they don't have insurance. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:03:20 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 22:40:55 2012. My comment was in no way intended to be insulting to either of you. I was correcting a statement and using you as an example. Try to remain in context. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:06:50 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:03:20 2012. Well given how we're the only thing you seem to think about, how am I not supposed to infer that? After all ... you're the one who's been defining inferences, so only playing by your rules. ;) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:09:11 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:06:50 2012. How could you possibly infer anything incendiary from what I posted? Read it over. All I said was that bing-bong said she benefited from it (which she did) and you (on the list) knew her. Show me how that could be meant any other way. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 2 23:20:10 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 22:00:04 2012. bing-bongLOL !!! Selkirk LOL !!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:21:17 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:09:11 2012. OK ... lets back up a sec. Bingbong benefits from buying her own insurance. And it costs up the ass owing to the "pre-existing" shit. That "pre-existing" shit however only existed because the insurance company she was with at the time BEFORE the "pre-existing" condition refused to treat the condition. So she had to go to ANOTHER insurance company and guess what happened? :(This doesn't benefit her personally, we're paying to play. But there's plenty of others who are without insurance going through exactly what SHE went through. I guess maybe it comes down to the religious values we were born with and raised in that you take care of OTHERS and advocate for them instead of just yourself. Maybe that's it but spiritually, this injustice is important to us even if it doesn't directly apply to us. Does that help to explain it? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:25:54 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:21:17 2012. So (and I said this right from the beginning) I am happy that her pre-existing condition was covered. My assumption was that now, that pre-existing coverage was less expensive. I have an acquaintance who benefits the same way (I think). That was what I was referring to. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 2 23:33:56 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:25:54 2012. So why then do you espouse support for those who have clearly stated they will take it away at the earliest possible opportunity?The republican candidate said he would be fine with denying coverage...even access....to those with pre-existing conditions. It was on the news this past weekend. Ypu suport this? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:35:32 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 2 23:20:10 2012. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:36:47 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:25:54 2012. And if it weren't for Obama, neither would have ... and I'm certain there's literally millions of others in the same situation. Shouldn't have been given that most insurance wouldn't cover at ANY price. That was OUR problem. No matter HOW much we were willing to pay, denied. :( |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:40:18 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 2 23:33:56 2012. You really need to cut through the left-wing rhetoric. They (republicans) have repeatedly said that there are many provisions of o'bummercare that are good and should be kept. The pre-existing condition provision, the children under 26 and the doughnut hole provisions among them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:42:54 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:40:18 2012. "Rip it out by its roots" says differently though. Both Boehner and McConnell say they want to kill it ALL. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:45:41 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:36:47 2012. You're not going to get an argument from me about the need for healthcare reform. I think o'bummercare was overkill in so much that it put 1/6 of our economy under the control of the government. You disagree and that's fine. We can debate the mechanism but stop the nonsense that republicans didn't want healthcare reform. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:48:58 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:42:54 2012. Right wing rhetoric. There are more provisions in o'bummercare that benefit me than hurt me. If it's overturned in January, then it will need to be replaced immediately and with a plan without all the pitfalls of this one. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 2 23:50:28 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:40:18 2012. That's not what the candidate said.Ought to pay attention. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:53:03 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:48:58 2012. Doubtful. And if we have to hang on every word of left wing rhetoric, then the right wing rhetoric counts too. THIW. All of this hoohah went around over medicare. Try and kill that now.Personally, I still think that single payer would have been the way to go, that would have also solved the medicare mess. We're the only industrialized nation left that doesn't have single payer and it's a major reason why jobs go overseas since business is expected to fund health care instead of the citizens through their government like other places. We pay zero for healthcare for those who work for us in other countries and it's also a major reason why we're not "competitive" despite our insanely superior productivity. Anyhoo, gotta go code now ... that's what I get paid to do. Moo. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:58:21 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 2 23:50:28 2012. If that was not taken out of some context - and I believe that it was, it will never come to pass. But that sounds like it's from an editorial page. Try thishttp://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/29/high-risk-pools-are-workable-alternative-to-costly-pre-existing-condition-mandate/ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:59:29 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:45:41 2012. Respectfully, the government ended up with zero percent of the pie once the compromise was done. The insurance industry gets one hundred percent of that pie PLUS you're forced to buy from the insurance industry as though it were the mafia. No escape or you pay a penalty. This is why I get my ass up in the air over the utter bullshit that people actually believe because the talking lamp of the industry told them so.When you pay your health premium, who do you make the check out to? Uncle Sammy? Nope. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 3 00:05:02 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 23:59:29 2012. The fallacy is that with the provision for coverage of a pre-existing condition, The penalty tax works out cheaper than the coverage. You get sick, you apply for coverage. It's a house of cards and the wind is picking up. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 00:06:25 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 2 23:58:21 2012. They are NOT cost effective. They cost almost as much as a private policy (which runs $1700./month in much of NY but does not cover pre-existing conditions if they'll sell it...my experience) due to their limited revenue scope. That is financially punishing when such is not ethical nor reasonable. Pre-existing condition coverage is ONLY reasonable when spread through the entire population. Period.You clearly know nothing about insurance. Not that you need to care, you have, affordably. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 3 00:07:53 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 3 00:05:02 2012. The figures for the penalty were based on the industry's own actuarials to come out WAY ahead in the deal. Putting aside the prattle from the TV and radio, look into the Kaiser deal along with the pharmaceutical industry deal that paved the way for this all to happen. It isn't the pre-existing condition part of the equation that hurt the industry, it was the emergency rooms for toothaches. By making EVERYBODY pay in, they get the benefit of all those people who won't be costing more than the annual checkup.When the HMO deals were made back in Reagan's time, this was proven until people bailed from that plan. That's WHY the mandate. Rest assured that the industry signed off on this. Ever wonder why all the complaints about Obamacare AREN'T coming from the insurers? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 00:11:21 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 3 00:07:53 2012. If that. I could see the average healthy young adult male maybe going for the flu shot if they're conscientious. Cost=$30/year. Women would avail themselves of a ob-gyn visit for contraceptives....cost $400/year (generic pills). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 3 00:17:25 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 00:11:21 2012. And some like me wouldn't cost them a penny. Reality is though that if this was anything as bad as being crowed by the right, the insurance industry and the AMA would be front and center with grenades. They're not. Amazing nobody noticed. :-\ |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 3 00:27:03 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 00:06:25 2012. See - there you go again. It's not your self interest, it's my lack of it. If you can't discuss the subject without personalizing it, you need to not discuss it. You already know that some people don't take it as kindly as I do, |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 00:44:44 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 3 00:27:03 2012. You didn't answer the question. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 3 00:52:07 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 00:44:44 2012. I answered the personal attack. I thought that's what you wanted. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 3 02:31:24 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 2 20:54:22 2012. I know countless people who will benefit personally.The anarchist, Dand124 opposes the law. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 3 02:32:52 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 3 02:31:24 2012. I know countless people who will benefit personally.I don't believe you. But for the sake of argument on OTCHAT you'll say it. The anarchist, Dand124 opposes the law. Yeah. But he'll label anyone else a racist who does the same. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 3 02:37:53 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 3 02:32:52 2012. Yeah. But he'll label anyone else a racist who does the same.Where? When? Dand is probably one of the guys who yelled "YEAHHHH, let him DIE!!" here when "Doctor" Paul was asked about the law. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 3 02:46:51 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 3 02:37:53 2012. Meanwhile, back on the farm:
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 3 03:10:45 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 3 02:37:53 2012. Obamacare is about covering the following situation:Two immigrants to go a cantina in Central Islip. Down a bunch of Coronas. Get into a fight over a mamacita. Cut each other up. Go to emergency room at Good Samaritan in Bay Shore and we're all paying for it. THIW. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 3 03:31:53 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 3 03:10:45 2012. What's the legal status of these immigrants? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 3 03:32:35 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 3 02:32:52 2012. You got all that 100% right. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 3 08:32:43 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 3 03:10:45 2012. We're already paying for it. Thanks to a federal law passed in the 80s. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 3 09:55:29 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 3 00:52:07 2012. No it wasn't. I wanted to know how you justify supporting someone who states their position and policy is to do something while you say you support the opposite.That it's something that affects me personally is merely my motivation behind discussing it to begin with. You take my calling the hypocrisy personally. I sit on a personal level? Isn't that what every vote come to? So why do you support Willard when he states his position is to take insurance coverage....with no alternative......away from people with pre-existing conditions when he repeals ACA? You have stated here you don't agree with that. |
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