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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 15:44:15 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 24 15:41:17 2012.

But he's right. The jobs gained building the pipeline will be lost to the rail industry. The net job effect is pretty small. It's more a productivity issue than a jobs issue.


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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 15:56:27 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 24 15:31:28 2012.

There are less construction jobs created by pipeline building than say, building high speed rail.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 15:59:54 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by WillD on Fri Feb 24 03:38:15 2012.

Neither did Bush. In case you missed it while having your hair braided, there are a few buildings missing from the NYC Skyline.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:02:16 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 24 15:31:28 2012.

It seems to you? Oh well then we must be wrong then. The hell with stupid things like numbers or facts. If you say so, I'll take your word for it.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:03:35 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 15:43:09 2012.

Which right is that? The Canadian right?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 16:06:40 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 15:59:54 2012.

Which has nothing to do with Iraq and all to do with Bush's negligence.

your pal,
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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:06:55 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 14:52:56 2012.

The point is that the Canadians are stating that it will be more profitable to build a pipeline and sell it to the chinese than to continue to ship it to us. Given that the pipeline insures us that supply and creates 20,000 jobs, I don't see it as a bad thing.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a ^$%@ Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:09:20 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a ^$%@ Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Dave on Fri Feb 24 05:57:58 2012.

1959 into 1960, while the Arabs were still "OAPEC" ... Venezuela created OPEC and the first "Arab" country to sign on was Iran. The others came later in 1973. Lemme guess ... you hit wikipedia?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:10:13 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Dave on Fri Feb 24 09:41:39 2012.

Very very interesting

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:13:10 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 07:02:21 2012.

Heh. Maybe Bush will come back ... :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 16:13:24 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:03:35 2012.

People right here on this forum have been saying that part of the high cost of oil is the fact that Canadian oil can't get to the US.


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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:14:51 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 24 00:02:20 2012.

The masks were worn because in china they burned high sulfur coal to produce electricity and in some heavy industries. They also did not use scrubbers or other primitive forms of pollution control. Smaz is smart. He knew this was the case but he chose to ignore the facts to make his point.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:17:06 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 08:44:12 2012.

So you're saying that the republicans are working hard to get Obama re-elected? :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:19:41 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Dave on Fri Feb 24 09:41:39 2012.

I'll give you that ... so can't we just put these guys on a plane to Vegas instead?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:20:22 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 16:13:24 2012.

Transportation is a small factor in the overall cost of crude. I still maintain that the president could immediately knock $1 per gallon off the cost of gasoline by stopping summer and winter blending of gasoline. You say that there is not much the president could do. There is one thing he can and should do. President Bush failed to do it to his discredit. The elimination of these additives to gasoline would not only lower fuel prices but they would lower prices of meats and foods made from corn and cane sugar. (AND THAT AIN'T NO BULLSHIT)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:21:30 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:17:06 2012.

Can you quote where he said that or are you just acting silly again?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 16:25:32 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:06:55 2012.

A properly positioned pipeline is certainly a good thing for the US. Its absence is not raising the price of oil in any major way, though.

Are you aware there already is a major pipeline from Calgary to Vancouver? There is nothing currently keeping the Canadians from selling their oil to the highest bidder. There are also plenty of existing pieplines from Canada to the US.


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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 16:27:19 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:20:22 2012.

I was under the impression that the ethanol was there based on an act of Congress and not a presidential directive.



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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 17:08:00 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 16:27:19 2012.

It was indeed ... Dave Barry wrote a wonderful piece years ago on the meaning of "act of congress" ...

HeraldLink: Head to Head BY DAVE BARRY

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 17:19:33 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:21:30 2012.

Around here, I always act silly unless it's a technical or otherwise "serious" question. Thought that might have occurred to you by now. I'm quite consistent.

That said, do you REALLY think that the republicans are going to win with the silliness they're doing? They're SUPPOSED to be serious. LOL

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a ^$%@ Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 24 17:21:54 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a ^$%@ Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:09:20 2012.

Nope. OPEC's web site. Wikipedia isn't research. OPEC's site doesn't mention Venezuela creating OPEC.

"The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is a permanent, intergovernmental Organization, created at the Baghdad Conference on September 1014, 1960, by Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. The five Founding Members were later joined by nine other Members: Qatar (1961); Indonesia (1962) suspended its membership from January 2009; Libya (1962); United Arab Emirates (1967); Algeria (1969); Nigeria (1971); Ecuador (1973) suspended its membership from December 1992-October 2007; Angola (2007) and Gabon (19751994). OPEC had its headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, in the first five years of its existence. This was moved to Vienna, Austria, on September 1, 1965."

http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/about_us/24.htm



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Re: Me to Barry - Get a ^$%@ Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 17:51:19 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a ^$%@ Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Dave on Fri Feb 24 17:21:54 2012.

Heh. Don't have the time to write a paper on it, but here ... go look these over:

http://venezuelanoil.blogspot.com/2011/04/venezuelas-contribution-to-opec-juan.html

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/74

Only reason why I knew about any of this is back when I was a reporter covering Nixon, one of my stories brought me into the midst of it all and at the time, living in the city, I didn't care about oil. OPEC was a creation of Nixon's nonsense along with a LOT of help by Nelson A Rockefeller ... at the time, it was about antisemitism. But that's another story I don't have the time to bring back from the 70's right now.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:23:54 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 16:13:24 2012.

Who said that?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:25:07 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:20:22 2012.

Actually, if fuel is lower, delivery costs are less, and that brings prices down on everything. Everything you consume is dependent on the fuel to get it from point A to point B, C, and D before it gets to you.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:26:29 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 15:56:27 2012.

A pipeline would be of much more use than "high speed rail" (such as that one they were trying to do between Orlando and Tampa.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:27:49 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:13:10 2012.

Scarily enough, Obama proved someone could be worse.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:28:31 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 24 13:50:34 2012.

Santorum isn't my choice, but if he's running against Obama, he'll be the lesser of two evils just as in 2008 that election was also such.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:29:36 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 08:43:15 2012.

Exactly. WHat's good for the goose....

Just pointing out they hypocrisy, and if you think I live by everything I talk about here....

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 18:34:48 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:26:29 2012.

Howso?

your pal,
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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:36:44 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 18:34:48 2012.

Because you put the passengers in the pipe and wooooosh! No being shoved off onto a siding so the UPS train can pass. :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:38:00 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:27:49 2012.

Well ... for those who don't get their ideas from right wing news, seems as though Obama's been doing fairly well given the republican obstructions to getting stuff done. But then you won't hear that from pajamas media and the like ...

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 18:39:52 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 24 15:41:17 2012.

What's good for oil investors is DESTRUCTIVE to America.
Oil is POISON.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:41:56 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:38:00 2012.

Yeah, I know.....the republicans are at fault when they have all the power...have part power, or when the Democrats are in full control, they also are at fault. I heard the drill.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:42:41 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 18:39:52 2012.

I wouldn't recommend drinking it.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:43:59 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:41:56 2012.

I see your boys now waving blank 3x5 cards around often, some so-called "jobs bill" they claim. They HAVE control now, and all we're getting is props. So much for the power of being "in power" even in their own house. :)

Tea is served ...

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:46:08 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:43:59 2012.

"My" Boys? LOL.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:46:52 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:46:08 2012.

Yes ... the side you've clearly chosen in all of your responses ... you know ... the guys who don't have the brains to put the dog INSIDE the car?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 19:06:09 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:42:41 2012.

"stuff's pretty crude.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 19:28:22 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 18:46:52 2012.

Yes, we know, like the "side you clearly chosen", your loveboys, the Democrats.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 19:29:34 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 19:06:09 2012.

I'm just about to leave the house to go out drinking, and what I will be drinking may be crude, but not that crude.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 19:36:35 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 19:28:22 2012.

As long as there be republicans here, I guess I'm a democrat. Whatever pisses off the republicans is what I is. :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 19:37:56 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 19:29:34 2012.

Have some Porters ... next best thing to the north sea. :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 21:53:24 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:23:54 2012.

Do you really think it's a free market when the obamites are deliberately blocking the purchasing of Canadian oil while forcing us to by from countries on the other side of the world?

And how might they be blocking the purchase of Canadian oil? By blocking the pipeline, of course. (Not to mention that he think Venezuela is on the other side of the world.)

http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=912321



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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 25 02:16:06 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 21:53:24 2012.

You have to be some sort of imbecile, al. I referred to 4 specific countries that were in the middle east or northern Africa. Those 4 nations total 37% of our crude oil imports. I did not mention Venezuela at any time yesterday.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 25 13:27:54 2012, in response to Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 13:55:15 2012.

I always thought Barry White was eminently qualified for his job. You got no soul?



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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 27 08:06:26 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 24 16:02:16 2012.

It seems to you? Oh well then we must be wrong then. The hell with stupid things like numbers or facts. If you say so, I'll take your word for it.

If you think a pipe takes more people to operate than a train does, feel free.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 27 08:23:28 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:46:08 2012.

"My" Boys? LOL.

Your boys

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 27 08:26:27 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 27 08:23:28 2012.

Absolutely. For president in this race that is absolutely correct, as the D in power was not change we could believe in. Bring in a better D candidate and I will change my position. I am not voting for 4 more years of this crap. While I don't know what road the "change" would bring, I know I don't want to remain on the current one for 4 more years.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 12:33:20 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 27 08:26:27 2012.

Yours was a blanket statement about RINOs being better than Ds. RINOs are to the right of the average Democrat.

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