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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 18 05:28:57 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 18 00:53:52 2012.

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 18 05:36:28 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by dand124 on Thu May 17 18:14:10 2012.

Hmmm..and how could you KNOW that for a fact?
You know something the 'STATE' DOESNT know?

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 06:10:12 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by dand124 on Thu May 17 18:29:58 2012.

Not illegal but irresponsible and as it turns out, dangerous.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 06:13:44 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 18 05:28:20 2012.

Not illegal but irresponsible. Neighborhood WATCH, not Neighborhood POLICE. He should have let the police do its job.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 06:25:22 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 06:13:44 2012.

On top of that, was he wearing a uniform or anything else that ID'd him as something other than some dude coming up out of the dark? I know from experience that guys play cop on the subway telling me there's no photography and threatening to take my camera. The cop in Philly who gave me a disorderly conduct citation was plainclothes and didn't identify himself as a cop, just started bullying.
So if some Mestizo faced dude comes up to me in the nightime without a uniform or ID, I'm probably gonna tell him it ain't none of his business because I probably profiled him and thought "he don't look like no cop to me".

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Dave on Fri May 18 06:25:58 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 18 03:46:49 2012.

Real Americans



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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 06:32:17 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Dave on Fri May 18 06:25:58 2012.

Yikes! "Halfy" is right out of Dick Tracy.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 18 06:37:34 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Dave on Fri May 18 06:25:58 2012.

Heh. Yep ... them too. :)

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 07:09:58 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 02:04:18 2012.

Yes.

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by TERRapin station on Fri May 18 08:15:25 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 06:10:12 2012.

JayZee disagrees. He says it is illegal. I wonder if he wrote that in his article?

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 08:21:47 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by TERRapin station on Fri May 18 08:15:25 2012.

Yes, I and the prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case both think Zimmerman's actions were illegal. Angela Corey thinks Zimmerman's actions amount to second-degree murder. I wonder what your point is?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 08:57:21 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 17 23:13:31 2012.

And as I said, I DOES cause anxiety, panic attacks, and even paranoia in people. That doesn't mean it will happen to people every time they do it, but it most definitely can. I have seen it.

The concentration of THC was so low that it was at least a couple of days since Martin had smoked. Have you seen that kind of delayed reaction in people's panic attacks or paranoia?

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Re: Other evidence

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 08:58:53 2012, in response to Other evidence, posted by Dave on Thu May 17 19:25:14 2012.

Also, NBC displayed a Xerox copy of a picture taken by police shortly after arriving on the scene, that showed Zimmerman had a bloody nose.

Great, proof Martin was standing his ground against a potentially armed thug who was chasing him. Or do you have to kill someone to stand your ground?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 09:48:51 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 08:57:21 2012.

Perhaps he was hyper-sensative to THC. I don't know. You don't know. It does call his mental state into question and for an OJ like jury, you don't need much.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by bingbong on Fri May 18 09:57:32 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 08:57:21 2012.

Clearly he wan't "under the influence" at trace levels (it takes time to metabolize THC out of the system completely, like several weeks) which are likely detectable only through blood tests capable of detecting the slightest traces.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 10:25:29 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 09:48:51 2012.

Perhaps he was hyper-sensative to THC. I don't know. You don't know. It does call his mental state into question

No, it's a simple fact that a trace amount of THC does not call his mental state into question.

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Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable'

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 18 12:12:36 2012, in response to Re: Sanford Police: Trayvon/Zimmerman Encounter Was 'Avoidable', posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 18 05:28:57 2012.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 18 12:49:32 2012, in response to Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 17 17:14:37 2012.

Don't hide all of the facts. That was a trace level that was not enough to impair judgment.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 18 12:50:16 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 17 22:50:06 2012.

However, the level of pot found in his system was a trace amount.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 12:58:50 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 18 12:49:32 2012.

The autopsy does not say that, and no one is claiming it did.

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Re: Other evidence

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:02:16 2012, in response to Re: Other evidence, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 08:58:53 2012.

Possibly. I still think Zimmerman made the mistake of not staying in his car, but it's not a crime to follow someone on the street. If Martin felt threatened, he should have either run or called the cops himself. He has no right to attack someone because he thinks he's being followed.

The evidence now suggests exactly what the "hoodie" crowd was asserting from the beginning, only in reverse. Martin "profiled" Zimmerman as a crazy white man and attacked him in response. The man with the gun won.

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Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:03:53 2012, in response to Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 17 17:14:37 2012.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161

Doing so now will probably create less problems than the inevitable acquittal.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 13:11:06 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 10:25:29 2012.

No - not if your mind is already made up, it doesn't.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:12:53 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 10:25:29 2012.

But it does assault his character. Martin was being presented as a choir boy mercilessly hunted down because he was black. Truth was he was just another ghetto thug. Does that mean he deserved to die? No. It does mean that Zimmerman's claim he was defending himself a lot more believable.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 13:31:43 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:12:53 2012.

"It does mean that Zimmerman's claim he was defending himself a lot more believable."

So does the account of an alleged eye witness who claims that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, hitting him using various styles of marshal arts moves and that Zimmerman repeatedly called for help during the altercation.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 13:43:35 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:12:53 2012.



Martin was being presented as a choir boy mercilessly hunted down because he was black. Truth was he was just another ghetto thug.

He was a ghetto thug because he had a trace amount of THC in his body?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 13:53:30 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 13:43:35 2012.

+1

Chris has an agenda to railroad the dead man .

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 13:59:04 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 12:58:50 2012.

They published the trace amounts.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 18 14:04:21 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 18 12:49:32 2012.

You're an idiot. Your claim is total BS.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 18 14:07:00 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Dave on Fri May 18 06:25:58 2012.

This feller looks like something straight out of the Dick Tracy comics.



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Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Fri May 18 14:07:20 2012, in response to Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:03:53 2012.

Murder struck me as overreaching. But dropping chagres altogether is too far in the other direction. There's still a superb case to be made for criminally negligent homicide.



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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 14:09:41 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 18 12:50:16 2012.

What was the actual numerical value of the amount of pot found in Trayvon Martin's system?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Dave on Fri May 18 14:13:02 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 18 14:07:00 2012.

The Brain.

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Re: Other evidence

Posted by Dave on Fri May 18 14:14:22 2012, in response to Re: Other evidence, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:02:16 2012.

The evidence suggests nothing of the sort, Chris.


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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:32:07 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 13:31:43 2012.

Yep, both claim Martin went MMA on him:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852

Remember what I said in March, about people jumping to conclusions and boxing themselves into a position that could become untenable if further evidence proved otherwise? Yeah, sounds like pretty sage advice right about now, eh?

Al Sharpton has basically been forced to lie about believing Tawana Brawley for 25 years now because he looked before he lept, with damning consequences for his credibility.

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Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:36:10 2012, in response to Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Fri May 18 14:07:20 2012.

He wasn't charged with that. Dropping the murder charge and charging him with a lesser felony is almost as bad as dropping the charges. It will anger the usual suspects and it will be focused on the prosecutor. This is why any prosecutor worth his/her salt provides a safety valve by including lesser charges they can fall back upon if the murder case falls apart. Any anger then can be directed at the jury.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:37:16 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had INSIGNIFICANT drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 13:59:04 2012.

They published the amount, they did label it, nor did they assert how it manifested itself.

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Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Fri May 18 14:40:45 2012, in response to Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:36:10 2012.

The all-or-nothing prosecutorial approach is always a bad idea in high profile cases. I really don't understand what drives prosecutors to do it. Various cases of NY police shooting unarmed people and being charged with murder come to mind as well.

There's reckless and there's reckless. In cases where clearly the defendant didn't head out in the morning telling himself "I'm gonna kill someone today" it's incredibly hard to prove the recklessness was so extreme as to constitute murder. Yet prosecutors keep trying.


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Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 18 16:14:54 2012, in response to Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:03:53 2012.

"Doing so now will probably create less problems than the inevitable acquittal."

HOLD ON BUDDY!

There is still MORE to this.....since Zimmerman's leading up to the death of Martin is now the focus. Did he really TARGET Martin? Did he go after Martin? Why did he not wait for the police to arrive or to even stay away from Martin?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 16:18:42 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 13:11:06 2012.

No - not if your mind is already made up, it doesn't.

Nor if you have enough brain cells to comprehend simple facts.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 16:25:19 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 14:09:41 2012.

What was the actual numerical value of the amount of pot found in Trayvon Martin's system?

1.5 ng/mL. Low enough to legally "drive while stoned" in Ohio or Nevada.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 17:52:20 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 16:25:19 2012.

where did you get that number? I've certainly not read it anywhere.

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Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 18:03:35 2012, in response to Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Fri May 18 14:40:45 2012.

Grandstanding. The DA thought she could use this to launch a higher profile political career. Now she's screwed.

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Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 18:08:41 2012, in response to Re: Dershowitz: drop the charges against Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 18:03:35 2012.

"Now she's screwed."

Well she can always use that to boost her career

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 19:36:28 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:12:53 2012.

I have kept an open mind on this case. I have not defended Zimmermann at all. I have attacked people at automatically making him guilty until proven guilty however.
However, with the new evidence, and the wounds on Zimmermann's head, etc, I am beginning to lean towards him being attacked. I still can't state whether it was self defense or not, but it definitely shows there's way more to this story that activists like JayZee would want to story to be (who obviously don't believe in our justice system's innocent until proven guilty unless he has an agenda to defend - such as if this was a black man that killed someone)

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 19:42:38 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 08:57:21 2012.

I was responding to a post that said that THC doesn't make people unreasonable. I never once mentioned the amount of pot found in Martin, nor even talked about him in reference to the pot. I was responding to the false claim that pot doesn't make people unreasonable. That is a general statement. Not only is that false, as mentioned, it doesn't always cause the laid back high, it can and does sometimes cause anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia. I even mentioned that in reference to hash. No where did I imply Martin had hash either.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 19:43:45 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 18 12:50:16 2012.

Where did I mention it in reference to Martin?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 19:45:19 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 18 16:25:19 2012.

Why are those two states mentioned? DO you have a list of other states?

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 19:45:49 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 17:52:20 2012.

I have googled trying to find this myself. I just asked him something similar.

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Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 19:47:51 2012, in response to Re: Oh my: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system, autopsy finds, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 07:09:58 2012.

And I saw none of what you're claiming, from other than heavy use of pot or in synergy with alcohol. Bringing up hash is over the top as it's much stronger than pot.

your pal,
Fred

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