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Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 9 20:19:39 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 19:07:31 2012. That depends on when publicly.Privately Obama was never against gay marriage. He came up with this "evolving" rubbish out of political necessity: Next I'm waiting for him to come out as an atheist. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 9 20:39:34 2012, in response to Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 14:44:15 2012. Whirling Dervish Alert: Here come all the liberal spinners - out of their worm-holes. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 9 21:10:14 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by JayMan on Wed May 9 20:19:39 2012. He came up with this "evolving" rubbish out of political necessity:I dunno. If we can't believe him regarding his own morality, what can we believe? He was asked several times during the 2008 election and answered several times that he believed that marriage was between a man and a woman. He even said that during one of the debates. His "evolving" position came years later because there is an imminent election. He'll likely have a similar "evolution" regarding illegal immigration in the next few months after deporting more illegal immigrants than any previous President. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 21:20:05 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 21:10:14 2012. If we can't believe him regarding his own morality, what can we believe? He was asked several times during the 2008 election and answered several times that he believed that marriage was between a man and a woman.In 2008, I would have responded to that question multiple times in the same way. The hallmark of a truly moral person is to realize that they once held a morally erroneous position and correct their sin. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:23:51 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 19:07:31 2012. ....or when hit with a reelection campaign. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:24:19 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by JayMan on Wed May 9 20:19:39 2012. Excellent post. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 9 21:25:03 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 21:20:05 2012. But neither JayMan nor I agree that he is a moral person. He says whatever he thinks will get the most votes. If you look at what he does and not what he says, it's obvious. You can look at almost any of his 2008 campaign promises and see that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:25:25 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 21:20:05 2012. .....or to realize they would face controversy from their base when running for reelection. THIW. Typical Washington Politician this man is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:28:21 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 19:19:55 2012. Of course. But that same opinion was quite different in the past. Now, in a questionable reelection, he has to pander to his base, which he is doing, especially in the wake of what happened in North Carolina. Coincidence? LOL, well orchestrated typical politician BS, pandering to what people want to hear. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 21:48:12 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 21:25:03 2012. He says whatever he thinks will get the most votes.How does coming out in favor of same-sex marriage garner him votes. he has everything to lose by making this an issue. The public is 50-50 on the issue and the actual people who vote, which trends toward older people is still against it. This is Truman circa 1948. You can look at almost any of his 2008 campaign promises and see that. and he has kept every single promise whenever he had the power. God Bless Barack Obama. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 9 22:00:03 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 21:48:12 2012. How does coming out in favor of same-sex marriage garner him votes. he has everything to lose by making this an issue.He said that he personally supports gay marriage, but supports states that decide otherwise. He has it both ways as he's pro-gay and pro-states rights. Notice that he's not advocating doing anything at the federal level for gays. I know that he ended DADT, but that was strategical as well. and he has kept every single promise whenever he had the power. Not even close. And his biggest success - healthcare - came almost despite him. He refused to lobby for it when it looked like it would fail. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 23:05:49 2012, in response to Re: Pandering: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 17:05:17 2012. Pandering to whom? Gays? A minuscule portion of the electorate? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 9 23:16:46 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 23:05:49 2012. Why would gays be anymore miniscule than blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or any other group that gets pandered? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 23:18:26 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 23:16:46 2012. Yes, they are infinitesimal in numbers compared to those groups. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 9 23:25:51 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 23:18:26 2012. No they aren't.Blacks - 12% Hispanics - 14% Jews - 2% Gays - 5-10% |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu May 10 01:13:08 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by bingbong on Wed May 9 15:58:13 2012. Of course, all is talk right now, they have to rescind DOMA first.Yes. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:12:24 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 23:25:51 2012. I saw sarcasm in his comment there but yeah.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:18:48 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:12:24 2012. Never mind, I should have waited until having coffee to post anything lol.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:46:26 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 14:57:33 2012. LOL. Interviews like that are planned, with questions being submitted for approval. They knew what the President was going to say before they set up the first tripod.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:54:02 2012, in response to Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 14:44:15 2012. We know it's all political from here on in until November. That said, I'd rather a guy play politics by embracing equal rights for all than a guy who played politics by raising the terror alert level from yellow to orange in order to be re-elected.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 10 06:03:30 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:46:26 2012. Heh. *LONG* before ... that's why there's printed transcripts on the table in the back ready for them as they walk in to setup more than an hour ahead of the walk-on. Gotta lock down that room to prevent interlopers before da Prez walks out.Won't even bother to mention that any press events are scheduled at LEAST a day ahead of time so that the news director can pin it to the corkboard, file an equipment request with engineering and pack up to go. Don't ya just love bloggers who don't even have to put on pants before they're "on the air?" :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 10 06:04:55 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:54:02 2012. And Robney fell right into the trap! He had to issue a "I hate gays, vote for me" thing later yesterday. Hahahahaha. Dumbass. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 06:19:51 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 10 06:04:55 2012. Romney was given very little wiggle room here and he did the best he could.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 10 06:24:26 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 06:19:51 2012. Never bring checkers to a chess game. :) |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 10 07:19:03 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 16:30:23 2012. The new political information that he had to move from "evolving" to "evolved." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 07:33:46 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 22:00:03 2012. Excellent post. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 07:35:44 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 05:18:48 2012. Hahaha, yeah, I still have to shower which I better do quick because I got to get to work! I have been lying here with the laptop stuck in the Rockaway conversation sipping coffee, but didn't realize it's 7:30 already! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 10 07:43:03 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 23:16:46 2012. Jews don't get pandered to except in areas where they are significant, like in New York City. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 08:26:18 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 07:35:44 2012. Hate when that happens!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 08:26:39 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 21:48:12 2012. Not by a long shot. He is the epitome of your typical politician that will say ANYTHING to get elected/reelected. He is perhaps one of the worst in that respect. He has consistently changed what he said depending on the crowd he is talking to. A manipulative politician at it's worst. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 10 08:36:40 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 08:26:39 2012. Except that it's not without risk to his re-election. Then again, it's more about money in people's pockets, not who's dickin who.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 10 08:45:09 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 08:26:39 2012. I didn't realize you were that unhappy about Romney. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu May 10 09:49:27 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 10 07:43:03 2012. Ok. Maybe Muslims then. |
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Posted by vfrt on Thu May 10 10:58:33 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by bingbong on Wed May 9 15:46:59 2012. ==He just got the youth vote.==Sure. All those out of work recent college graduates and 20-somethings are on the unemployment line today taking part in the 'national conversation' about homosexual marriage. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu May 10 11:22:48 2012, in response to Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 14:44:15 2012. “We’ve arrived at a point where the President of the United States is going to lead a war on traditional marriage,” Rush Limbaugh said on his show Wednesday.His first, second, third, and fourth wives could not be reached for comment. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 10 11:29:34 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 21:10:14 2012. No politician (perhaps except Rick Santorum or Ron Paul) is going to tell you what he really thinks on every issue, especially the ones that aren't politically expedient. Samuel L. Jackson had the right idea about Obama in this regard.The issue of his "morality" is what we can believe him on the least, at least when it comes to things like religion. Besides, on his actual morals, he's told us what he thinks: he believes in treating others the way you'd want to be treated. Which is interestingly similar to what the closeted atheist preachers say... |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 10 11:34:22 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 08:26:39 2012. Well I think his opponent has him beat there... |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 10 11:47:41 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 16:37:45 2012. The only one that seems to be panicking is Chris. Who hasn't noticed that he lives in NY where gay marriage has existed for a year now. Last I looked, nobody's really noticing anymore. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 10 11:48:48 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 08:26:39 2012. Oh you mean Willard? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 10 11:51:42 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by vfrt on Thu May 10 10:58:33 2012. They're also smart enough to know the republicans aren't going to do anything for them anyway. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 10 12:04:52 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 22:00:03 2012. He has it both ways as he's pro-gay and pro-states rights.So am I since marriage is not a congressional or federal executive branch issue. It's why Section III of DOMA is unconstitutional (violation of States Rights) while Section II is not (repealing it would violate States Rights). Citizen Obama supports gay marriage. President Obama (and constitutional law Professor Obama) know that he can't do jack shit as far as being able to do anything about it other than pressuring Congress to repeal Section III (in the name of States Rights BTW). Notice that he's not advocating doing anything at the federal level for gays. Pushing for DOMA repeal and failing to defend challenges to its Section III in court is not doing anything for gays? Pushing for and signing the Matthew Sheppard Act is not doing anything for gays? Pushing for and signing the repeal of DADT is not doing anything for gays? Promoting the LGBT cause in international forums in not doing anything for gays? Appointing the first ever openly gay Cabinet member is not doing anything for gays? Who has ever done even 1% of what my President has done for my gay brothers and sisters? Not even close. And his biggest success - healthcare - came almost despite him. He refused to lobby for it when it looked like it would fail. FALSE! You don't know the whole story. The only reason it ever passed when it was on its death throes is because of a man named Barack Hussein Obama. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 10 12:10:32 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by AlM on Thu May 10 08:45:09 2012. HAHA!!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 10 12:11:31 2012, in response to Re: Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by JayMan on Thu May 10 11:34:22 2012. Well I think his opponent has him beat therePartisan Hack Chris will somehow rationalize that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 10 12:16:18 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Easy on Wed May 9 23:25:51 2012. Gays - 5-10%10% is a discredited number that the gay lobby pushes. 5% maybe but nothing more. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 10 12:33:54 2012, in response to Re: Limbaugh's Reaction to Obama on Gay Marriage, posted by italianstallion on Thu May 10 11:22:48 2012. I don't really care if Obama supports gay marriage or not. I do care about his shameless pandering. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 10 12:46:20 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 10 07:43:03 2012. And South Florida. Florida, a vital swing state. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 10 12:49:02 2012, in response to Panic: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 14:44:15 2012. Where are JayZeeBMT and SUBWAYSURF? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu May 10 12:49:36 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 10 12:16:18 2012. ? Huh how so? |
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Re: Pandering: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 10 12:51:56 2012, in response to Re: Pandering: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 17:05:17 2012. Not even. He hasn't changed a thing, he's just dropped an obvious charade. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 10 13:18:01 2012, in response to Re: Courage: Obama cancels press briefing, going on ABC to publically support gay marriage, posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 23:05:49 2012. Progressives. Minuscule in relation to the electorate, but powerful beyond their numbers within the party itself. Obama was told flat out that if he didn't end his public vacillation on the issue of same sex marriage a lot of money he badly needs would be held up. The man just spend 25% of his entire warchest on a massive television and radio campaign last week in many swing states with the assumption he could easily replace it. |
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