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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 14:00:05 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 2 13:44:41 2020. Yes I was. And not to fret, if you attended Sturgis, you would have gotten laid, drunk, maybe a tat or 2, and came back healthy as a horse! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 2 14:03:28 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 12:58:29 2020. So you are saying that by the end of the year, there will be 400,000 deaths?I'm saying that the statistic cited you your linked article was consistent with 400K deaths by year's end. That's quite a bit different than what the author stated and you accepted. There are many actions that might occur between day 334 and day 366 that will effect the death total. Mean time to death is about 21 days, so actions taken after Dec 10th will have less effect on the infection side. You are also assuming the death count is accurate and not inflated in spite of the author's claim that doctors were pressured to enter Covid as cause of death when they didn't believe that was the case. The state of gathering medical statistics is atrocious. Napoleon's maxim about not ascribing to malice that which can be explained by incompetence holds. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 14:12:37 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 13:56:36 2020. Opinion piece and speculation. We've been through this before. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 14:14:28 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 14:12:37 2020. 🙄🙄 Pay attention. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 2 14:16:35 2020, in response to The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 08:11:42 2020. Why did the NYC top doctor just warn elderly not to leave their homes, except for essential services, when it is a proven fact you are more protected outdoors than indoors from getting the virus?First do no harm, is a strategy that dates back to Hippocrates. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 2 14:25:07 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 14:12:37 2020. That's not an "opinion piece". It's a scholarly article with reference and source notes.Pay attention. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 14:45:01 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 14:12:37 2020. CDC Research in not Opinion.Why are you right-wingers science-deniers ? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 14:46:46 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 09:13:41 2020. A VERY big no!  nope, what's this thing about co-workers acting like family? 
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 14:48:26 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 14:45:01 2020. Between all of this and 32 instances of Democrats partying without masks or distancingyou people arguing over spilled milk and ignoring the other 330 million people may as well be tried and hung for manslaughter for even having this pathetic #loser conversation. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 14:50:09 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 2 13:11:52 2020. proff? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 15:15:23 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 13:58:21 2020. "L.A. County Supervisor Dines Out After Voting To Ban Outdoor Dining Claiming It’s ‘Too Dangerous’"It cares about position and party affiliation and race though. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 15:17:35 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 09:13:41 2020. These people don't end, more from todays news: |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 17:50:31 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 13:55:23 2020. Sturgis WAS a super spreader because many of the people hung out at bars without masks. I've been to enough biker rallies to know that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:54:01 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 2 14:03:28 2020. Well we will see how many deaths there are by the end of the year. And if the gathering of medical statistics is indeed atrocious, there really is no point in making any projections at all. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:59:10 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 13:28:45 2020. So everything that Trump does is wrong? Let's not get into that Dan of worms. I am not accusing anyone of anything, but it never hurts to follow the money. If there is a financial incentive for a hospital to report a death as a Covid death, there probably will be repercussions as some doctors gave claimed. There is also a difference between exaggerating a pandemic and denying it entirely. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:00:26 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 2 14:25:07 2020. YOU'RE one to talk!! You live in Fantasyland! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:01:28 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 14:45:01 2020. You must be dumb. Anyone who is still calling me a RW after I set the record straight numerous times, has issues. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 19:04:11 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:59:10 2020. Conspiracy theory with no proof. These people work 12-16 hours a day, put their lives on their line, and all people can think of is how they lie and cheat the system. Massively insulting to the medical heroes. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 19:09:39 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:54:01 2020. There really isn't much point in making projections in any case. Exactly how bad it will be is not particularly useful information. The important thing is to have it be less bad. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 19:10:38 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:01:28 2020. But your constant expression of right wing opinions belies your protestations to the contrary. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 2 19:11:41 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:54:01 2020. if the gathering of medical statistics is indeed atrocious, there really is no point in making any projections at all.Medical statistics gathering may well be atrocious. They aren't useless. You're are jumping to unwarranted conclusions. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 19:11:55 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:59:10 2020. If there is a financial incentive for a hospital to report a death as a Covid death, there probably will be repercussions as some doctors gave claimed.Then why are reported covid deaths less than deaths above expected? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:23:38 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 2 14:46:46 2020. Why is the Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer Santa Claus there? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 19:31:23 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 19:09:39 2020. Does it really matter if the death toll is 400,000 or 260,000, 0r 300,000?? This reminds me of this conversation in the war room in Dr. Strangelove:Turgidson: Mr. President, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth, both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless distinguishable, post-war environments: one where you got 20 million people killed, and the other where you got 150 million people killed! Muffley: You're talking about mass murder, General, not war. Turgidson: Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops! Uh, depending on the breaks. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 2 19:37:08 2020, in response to The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 08:11:42 2020. Excellent article. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 19:38:00 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 19:31:23 2020. That was my point too. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:47:51 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 17:50:31 2020. That doesn't mean in of itself that it's a suoerspreader. Someone has to attend the rally with COVID and be careless in order for that to occur. And yeah, I've also been to enough events where I knew they wouldn't wear the masks either. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:48:56 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 18:54:01 2020. The numbers WILL reflect what "they" want you to see. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 2 20:03:59 2020, in response to The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 08:11:42 2020. The cure is worse than the disease. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 2 20:10:53 2020, in response to The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 2 08:11:42 2020. The cure is worse than the disease. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 20:16:16 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 19:10:38 2020. Like I said, having a conservative leaning view about something does not equal "right wing". |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 2 20:52:57 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 2 08:28:20 2020. ?? You seem to explain why the advice for elderly people to stay at home does make sense, then you say you agree it doesn't? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Dec 2 21:06:37 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 2 20:52:57 2020. Staying home & staying home without having outsiders entering are 2 different things. Uninfected people who limit outside contact limit potential exposure. As soon as anyone from the outside comes in, bad things are possible. Most people can't tolerate the isolation, we are a social species. As soon as outsiders start entering peoples' homes, they are no longer safe havens, and have been a source of many outbreaks. I have friends who do everything they are advised, but they do regularly visit their grandchildren, and both of their son in laws go to work every day. The 6 day a week safety zone may not be so safe... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:09:48 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:01:28 2020. i love confounding motherphuckers regarding my supposed affiliations and behavioral patterns. especially, especially when they leap to "conclusions". |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 19:47:51 2020. big masking fans:1. gullible people 2. timid people 3. poorly educated people 4. innately compliant people 5. foolish people 6. freedom-hating people 7. hispanic and oriental immigrants 8. currently severely ill people ...of which only one of the above groupings has a shred of possible legitimate concerns. the rest can eat me. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 2 21:31:07 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. Outstanding post. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 22:07:47 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 19:31:23 2020. Here's a YouTube containing that scene & conversation:
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Dec 2 22:16:24 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 2 22:07:47 2020. It was on a week or or two ago, never gets old....so many great lines (and scenes) Power over ethernet is a big thing right now, and every time I'm on a webinar and they keep say POE I bust out laughing. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 3 00:24:31 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. Don't forget pompous asses. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 3 02:04:26 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 3 00:24:31 2020. ahh, yes indeed.the holier than thou crowd |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Dec 3 02:09:41 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 2 19:04:11 2020. That's the Trump way!! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 3 04:00:13 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. Yeah, it's all "fake".That's why one hospital in Nevada has so many COVID patients, they are treating them in the parking garage. Go out there without a mask if you want to... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 3 04:00:52 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. Yeah, it's all "fake".That's why one hospital in Nevada has so many COVID patients, they are treating them in the parking garage. Go out there without a mask if you want to... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 3 04:01:26 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. Yeah, it's all "fake".That's why one hospital in Nevada has so many COVID patients, they are treating them in the parking garage. Go out there without a mask if you want to... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 3 04:01:54 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. Yeah, it's all "fake".That's why one hospital in Nevada has so many COVID patients, they are treating them in the parking garage. Go out there without a mask if you want to... |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Dec 3 06:36:41 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. 9. Healthier people |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 3 07:18:48 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 2 21:29:40 2020. by the way, anyone who read my original post should take note of the first sentence. the way so many people "think" nowadays shows that they only take from a thing that which, to them supports their own point of view. snd they discount whatever else is expressed.and i won't read any responses from, as mad magazine used to put it, the usual gang of idiots. already know what they think. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 3 08:45:26 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 2 20:16:16 2020. Having a very conservative leaning view about many things does, however. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Dec 3 09:43:33 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 2 20:03:59 2020. Ridiculous statement |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 3 10:13:14 2020, in response to Re: The experts are wrong about coronavirus, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Dec 3 06:36:41 2020. 10. Anyone who wants to go into the outside world and still stay healthy. |
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