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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:29:30 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 10 13:18:46 2019.

I don't believe the Clintons have those sorts of contacts either. They don't move in the right circles.

This is not something any of them could do or could have done through official links, say like the CIA getting an Iranian nuclear scientist killed.



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:32:56 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:20:09 2019.

The speculation is the collusion of many government officials.

No way. Someone would talk.

If the US wants to kill an obvious enemy of the state, like a known Arab terrorist or Iranian nuclear scientist, yes then you could have an official conspiracy that worked.

But there is no way government officials could successfully conspire to kill a personal opponent of the Clintons or of Trump without it leaking.




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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:33:15 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 13:20:42 2019.

It would be difficult for him to arrange solo and keep it a secret. It would have to be a collusion of multiple people in authority such that the people that did it don’t really even know who they’re working for.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:33:54 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:32:56 2019.

Someone may talk but they wouldn’t know who they’re working for.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:34:28 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 13:20:42 2019.

It is not difficult to do. It is impossible to keep quiet.




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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:35:59 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:33:15 2019.

But what keeps one of the multiple people in authority from leaking? This government isn't exactly uniformly faithful to its leader, any more than the prior ones were.



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 10 13:56:13 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:29:30 2019.

Oh yes they do. Vince Foster, Seth Rich, and others are proof.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:58:53 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 13:35:59 2019.

The threat that they would also go to jail and get suicided. If there were a conspiracy the people organizing it would be very different from the action and only conspiracy theorists would believe it possible.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:59:43 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 13:58:53 2019.

Very distant from the action, not different.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 14:25:59 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Aug 10 13:56:13 2019.

Hahaha. Fox News even apologized with respect to Rich.




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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 10 14:34:19 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 10 12:03:34 2019.

Absolutely! Definitely follow the money

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 10 14:48:38 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 10 13:24:55 2019.

Damn.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 15:08:25 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 10 14:34:19 2019.

There are many fees besides cash. And potentially the people that could follow could be involved. If you believe in conspiracies that is.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 15:10:01 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 10 14:48:38 2019.

Except he didn't say what Olog said he said.

(I still think what he said was stupid, but he didn't directly blame the Russians.)



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 16:49:28 2019, in response to Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 10 09:12:57 2019.

Clinton Assisted Suicide

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 16:55:47 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 12:16:14 2019.

Eat shit and die, you disgusting piece of shit.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 10 17:11:56 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 12:16:14 2019.

So what? Lots of people are members of Mar-a-Lago.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 18:06:13 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 16:49:28 2019.

No, Trump Expedited Suicide.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Aug 10 18:11:59 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 16:55:47 2019.

Actually, both sides wanted Epstein dead. It would not surprise me if both sides worked together to make this happen.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 18:22:28 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 18:06:13 2019.

You must take after your mother.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 10 19:20:50 2019, in response to Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 10 09:12:57 2019.

well there wont be no trial now

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 19:24:25 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 18:06:13 2019.

I wouldn't push that theory too hard. It's extremely implausible and totally unprovable. It takes away from the really provable disgraceful things Trump has done.



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 10 19:29:23 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 10 19:20:50 2019.

No kidding.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 19:41:12 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 10 19:20:50 2019.

Actually, there WILL BE no trial now.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Mtk52983 on Sat Aug 10 19:43:19 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Aug 10 18:11:59 2019.

According to this note I am holding from Epstein's mother...

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 19:51:28 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 19:24:25 2019.

It's just as plausible as TDS' "Clinton Assisted Suicide" post.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 10 20:06:45 2019, in response to Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 10 09:12:57 2019.

Epstein was not on suicide watch at the time.

Original paragraph:

He had been on suicide watch since the July 23 incident.

That sentence was deleted from the article and this one was added to the preceding paragraph:

He was placed on suicide watch following the July 23 incident, but was not on suicide watch at the time of his death.

See also here, here, and here.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 10 20:07:35 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 10 19:29:23 2019.

yep !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 10 20:07:52 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 10 19:41:12 2019.

IAWTP

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 20:13:20 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 19:24:25 2019.



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 20:13:37 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 19:24:25 2019.

Look what Trump himself is pushing.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 20:15:32 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 10 20:06:45 2019.

Still no sale.

Too many very powerful people benefit from Epstein's death, some of whom are legitimately capable of knocking him off and getting it ruled a suicide.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 10 20:32:13 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 10 20:06:45 2019.

Does being off suicide watch mean that the cameras were turned off? How convenient.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 10 20:41:06 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 09:35:25 2019.

Jack Ruby

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 20:49:24 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 19:51:28 2019.

And so you want to be a raving idiot too?



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 10 21:08:00 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 20:13:37 2019.

I KNEW the Clintons were involved!!

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 21:13:18 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 20:13:37 2019.

You want to be as disgraceful as Trump?


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 10 21:17:48 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 10 20:49:24 2019.

Actually, he's hoping to be a bigger cunt than you are.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 10 22:29:41 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 10 20:15:32 2019.

LOL!

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Aug 11 06:40:37 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 10 09:33:10 2019.

If he were guilty, there's far easier ways for Trump to have avoided the whole situation in the first place without resorting to the world's fakest suicide. Guy could have gotten off on a techicality or somesuch.

I don't think it was a Clinton thing either. He had dirt on royalty of at least 2 countries.

I'm picturing at least 4 assassins hired by different billionaires all awkwardly meeting in his cell that morning.

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Fmr. Inmate Says "No Way" Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 11 07:04:58 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Aug 11 06:40:37 2019.

Here's what a former inmate who was housed on the exact same unit as Epstein told several media agencies about the implausibility of the pedophile's alleged suicide:


"There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.


The clothing they give you is a jump-in uniform. Everything is a dark brown color.

Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars.

They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper.

Nothing hard or made of metal.

b>And there’s a cop at the door about every nine minutes, whether you’re on suicide watch or not.

There’s up to 80 people there. They could put two in cell. It’s one or two, but I’ll never believe this guy had a cellmate. He was too blown up.

The damage that unit can do to someone.

It’s like you’re an animal and you’ve been brought into a kennel. A guy like Jeffrey, it’s like, “Holy sh-t.”

I told my parents not to come there. God wasn’t in the building.

I’ve had some heavy incidents in the building. What happened is permanent.


Some of the guards are on a major power trip. They know guys there are suffering. They know something the rest of the world hasn’t seen, that a place like this exists in this country, and they get off on it.

If the guards see that the guy is breaking, they’re going to help you break.

But it’s my firm belief that Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide. It just didn’t happen."




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Re: Fmr. Inmate Says ''No Way'' Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell

Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 11 07:16:07 2019, in response to Fmr. Inmate Says "No Way" Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 11 07:04:58 2019.

He wasn't on suicide watch (which is suspicious, and which Barr is properly ordering to be investigated).

Supposedly his cell had a shower, which indicates it wasn't the kind of suicide-avoidance cell described by your quote.



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Re: Fmr. Inmate Says ''No Way'' Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 11 07:29:47 2019, in response to Re: Fmr. Inmate Says ''No Way'' Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 11 07:16:07 2019.

Even if the shower fixture could support Epstein's weight, the sheets issued to inmates in the MCC SHU can't, as the inmate points out. More to the point, inmates are checked every 10 minutes or so, whether they're on suicide watch or not.

Could he have hanged himself with his jail uniform? I wonder about that, because a whole gaggle of photographers parked themselves at the ambulance entrance the minute they heard the EMS crew say "82 to Hospital 01". Those pics show Epstein being given CPR and being bagged, with his uniform still on him.

I'm just saying there are enough discrepancies in the suicide story to make me suspicious as to what really went on.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 11 09:06:25 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Mtk52983 on Sat Aug 10 19:43:19 2019.



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Re: Fmr. Inmate Says ''No Way'' Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Aug 11 09:21:38 2019, in response to Re: Fmr. Inmate Says ''No Way'' Epstein Committed Suicide In SHU Cell, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 11 07:29:47 2019.

You're a real fucking columbo, stinky.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Aug 11 12:00:32 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 10 11:57:56 2019.

No doubt he's thrilled, and I hear he's retweeted about it. Anything the deflect from his own skeletons. First, he gets another beautiful letter and now this:-).

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 11 14:35:29 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 10 11:57:56 2019.

Rubbish.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 11 14:49:53 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 11 14:35:29 2019.

Now, that doesn't mean that he's guilty of anything per se, just that now he doesn't have to be subject to a witch hunt.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Aug 11 15:05:19 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 11 14:49:53 2019.

C'mon now!!! You should know by now that he's right about everything and those he look up to are NEVER at fault for ANYTHING.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Aug 11 16:12:24 2019, in response to Re: Jeffrey Epstein is dead, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 11 14:49:53 2019.

The first thing Trump did when he found out Epstein was dead, was to tweet a conspiracy theory that Hillary had him killed.

Guilty dogs, etc...

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