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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 02:42:52 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 02:38:08 2013. Don't mind my commentary there, but tonight we actually HAD our Festivus miracle and that's privately brought us great joy. Only magnifies our disgust a bit with some folks here who seem to love to focus on hate and loathing. Fact is, a little love all around would really be a good thing if only folks could get into that. I fear for our collective crowd here if the meaning of "oral sex" has simply become "fuck you." :)But yeah ... as always, things aren't what they seem. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 03:03:12 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 02:19:52 2013. BTW, just as a symbol of corrections for you - bingbong plays her game here (which many fail to comprehend because Dan Lawrence is a friend of ours) and I play mine. Mine is a little more obvious than hers, but let's not forget that Jesus was Jewish, and Catholic and Christians accept jesus Christ as the Moschiach (hope I spelled that right) ... but other than that, there's really not much difference in our religions. Jesus' whole point is that we're FORGIVEN for our sins so long as we stop sinning. From my own religious standpoint, that's a pretty good deal - the relief of guilt as long as you sin no more.As I've said often, I grew up at a time when the original survivors of the holocaust were still alive and clear back in Riverdale. Riverdale was abotu half Jewish and half Catholic at the time, and the parents of my friends were only too willing to show us the tatoos and tell us first person stories of what happened to them. :( Bingbong and I are above the hate for very personal reasons. We've all got to STOP the hate because as time goes on, it only continues to poison and separate us more from God. Hope this helps to understand where both of us are coming from - accept no substitutes! :) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 03:37:52 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 02:42:52 2013. Only problem is now that I'm taking a closer look at the image, that candelabra seems to only have 7 branches. A chanukiyah needs 8 plus an extra one for the "shamash." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 03:43:13 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 03:37:52 2013. That may be, forgive me for not totally being up on it - we're not really required to be experts on the matter, but at least the symbolism is there. Part of the church's teachings are that Jesus WAS Jewish and that we're required to respect that, but the two religions do differ on whether He was the Messiah or not. We accept it, Jews reject it and it's all good.But let's put it this way - there's no Catholic or Christian "symbol" that is shaped like a Menorah, that's not part of our religion. That it even remotely looks like one is at least an attempt. Beyond that, I have no further explanation. Hope this helps. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 03:54:00 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 03:43:13 2013. Part of the church's teachings are that Jesus WAS Jewish and that we're required to respect that, but the two religions do differ on whether He was the Messiah or not. We accept it, Jews reject it and it's all good.No disagreement there But let's put it this way - there's no Catholic or Christian "symbol" that is shaped like a Menorah, that's not part of our religion. That it even remotely looks like one is at least an attempt. Beyond that, I have no further explanation. Hope this helps. Here is where I have a problem. The Menorah that was in the Temple looks similar to what is in that photo. The Vatican displaying a replica in honor of Chanukah (when they are meant to be different candelabras) is downright offensive in light of Catholic-Jewish relations over the years. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 04:01:02 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 03:54:00 2013. I can understand that too ... after Pius, relations have been horrible and I accept that and feel personal responsibility for that as a Catholic. I hope you read my other bit about my coming of age in Riverdale amongst the survivors. Being Catholic back then was not easy since many of the survivors were only too willing to bring it to me personally for BEING a Catholic. Just wanted to let you know about that because I'm personally in a situation where I had no answer for them and was spit upon often for my own faith and I understand fully WHY even though I had no part in it because I was born in 1951.That all said, I only put up what I did because bingbong is misunderstood here. Both of us are tired of the usual trolling which goes on here and have gotten SO tired of it over the years when the troll game continues here that we've both given up on trying to be serious about much of anything here. I post off the wall comedy, bingbong just tries to kick the usual suspects with parodies of themselves. If we had a collective mentality here of a little more love, both of us would respond accordingly. Just wanted to get that out there. But as to what the Catholic church has done to honor its Jewish roots, at ;east they're trying. I think that's about all I can offer in that respect given that the rap here is that the Catholic church would NEVER do a menorah and the image kinda disclaims that. Shalom, bro! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 04:03:20 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 04:01:02 2013. I'm not equating your actions with those of the Vatican. I don't expect you or Bingbong to necessarily know the difference between a Menorah and Chanukiyah. However, if the display in the photo she posted was meant to be a marker of Chanukah at the Vatican, and if the candelabra only has room for 7 candles instead of 9 as I think it does, whoever decided to put it up ought to have known better. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 04:12:08 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 04:03:20 2013. And rest assured, no offense taken. Just wanted to explain because you and I have often misunderstood each other over the years, and wanted to try to explain. Fact is neither of us is Jewish although we both have numerous Jewish relatives in both of our families. But we have our own faith and our own understandings even if they may not be perfect with respect to yours. Just wanted to explain though that we both have the utmost respect for yours despite eh trash some others may talk about us here. Chalk it all up to simple misunderstandings. Bingbong hasn't a hateful bone in her bod nor do I, but we DO bristle at stupidity and hoo boy, is there plenty of THAT to go around here. :)And "candelabra" ... visions of Liberace right there. Heh. But can we at least have an E for effort? In all seriousness, Judaism is an important part of the roots of Catholicism and all I can offer is at least the Catholic church isn't rooting for all Jews to die in the "rapture" ... to us, that's bullsquirt. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 05:11:01 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 03:54:00 2013. Just re-read this thread and I see where you're coming from. Obviously, I don't need to explain that once Christ was born, Catholicism (and the heretics which followed, lol) went their separate ways. What you bring up is interesting, perhaps there's a symbolism to the ancient split represented in what you saw, can't say I rememeber any teachings on that myself - it's been a LONG time since I attended seminary and got laid, making further efforts towards the priesthood impossible. But yeah, it would make sense that such a representation would include a replica of that distant past instead of a Catholic version of a "Chanukkah bush."TBH, I'm not sure what that meant but once again, the original issue is that bingbong had mentioned that the Christmas mass at the Vatican had a representation of the menorah for all the time she's seen it, and the image I posted clearly confirms the "proff" that bingbong did indeed see such. Only posted it because bingbong has had her fill of the usual suspects here and the way this place works. She's tired of playing along unless doing so amuses her (same for me) and I thought posting that pic would at least explain that she was "honest" there given the reaction to her post. I also understand that Chanukkah is over and now it's our turn so in all honesty and sincerity, I wish you a Merry Christmas with the same depth of feeling that you would wish a Happy Hanukkah and hope that you know that we really DO love and respect you and truly hope that we can enjoy a mutual peace with each other even if we may have some really unimportant differences when all things are considered. ;) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 24 05:37:55 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 04:03:20 2013. and if the candelabra only has room for 7 candles instead of 9 as I think it does, whoever decided to put it up ought to have known better.It may have to do with some kind of symbolism related to Rome's sacking of the Temple in Jerusalem and Christianity's self-declared role as the "successor" of Judaism. Supposedly the original menorah from the Temple is hidden somewhere in the recesses of the Vatican. Or so legend has it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:22:51 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 05:11:01 2013. I get where you are coming from, just looking to enlighten from the "other side".I hold the Vatican to a different standard than Israel. One is a religious state. One is not (officially). I don't have a problem with the fact they read the "Shema" and a section of "Pirkei Avot" on Army Radio each morning (and I think Kol Yisrael does something similar), but I think the Parliament could do better than they did on this one. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:24:54 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 24 05:37:55 2013. Therefore, if what I'm seeing and Bingbong are saying are both true, this is a very offensive action on the part of the Catholic Church. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:25:41 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 05:11:01 2013. Also, finding news stories either way on this one is hard because Googling "Menorah" and "Vatican" turns up more results about the ancient Menorah from the Temple than anything else, but there is this from the LA Times in 1997. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:31:27 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:22:51 2013. And *no* problem there, bro ... we really DO agree on most things, and sadly because this place is what it is, I usually take things very flippantly and recoil at the usual trolling. And sometimes I go overboard on recoiling against it all. Like I said, I respect you, but often this place is just not my time taking seriously. But THANK YOU for understanding here, for once it was worth the time and effort in trying to get things as straight as is possible here. :)We have a lot more in common than many thanks to the education I got first hand in my childhood. Pity they didn't last long enough to teach any of the current idiots as to what is real and what ain't. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:34:30 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:31:27 2013. I'd like to think I'll only call you (or anyone else here) out on an as needed basis, and otherwise let things go.Just wait until you see what I have coming later today. I think you'll appreciate it. It looks like I posted it in past years, but it is funny enough to post again, especially in light of some threads here recently. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:35:01 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:24:54 2013. I'll just add right here that bingbong is not aware of the nuances here and so should be held blameless and frankly, having attended seminary for a very short while, I am unaware of this too. I *will* dig deeper, bingbong is not very religious because the church has sidelined women much as Judaism has similarly over the years, both religions relagating women to "sit down, shut up, and sit over there."Please let's not drag bingbong into the depths of religious debate in knowing how pretty much ALL religions regard women. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:36:24 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:35:01 2013. And I'm not saying that she should be aware of those nuances. OTOH, the Vatican should. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:42:22 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:25:41 2013. Yeah, I know ... suffered the same tsuris myself in trying to find much on the topic. Lemme put it to you THIS way. Bingbong and I are abotu to celebrate 35 years together and though she be a feminist and hates me doing this, just HAD to raise my shield and dagger there. :)I think we've kinda settled the ONLY reason for me piping up here - she stated that Vatican DID present a menorah, that's what she said she saw. We've pretty much seen that she DID see such. She's not all that much into religious debate, what I posted was merely to show what she saw since "proff" was demanded. Well ... there it is. :) But beyond that, I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a shit. Heh. Anyway, interesting developments since that post. I wouldn't still be awake now if I wasn't busier than a one-eyed dog in a butcher shop and couldn't go to bed yet. But looks like this subthread can still stay interesting, and I thank all for that. Sure beats playing "who is more Jewish than me?" :) Seriously ... I'll be watching and can't wait to see where this goes. Beats the hating, and it'd be nice to learn new things here for a change! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:48:20 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:34:30 2013. Works for me, I'm EASY ... at least in this shirt. Gotta go horizontal for a while ... been an insanely busy day and once again, THANKS for your understanding! I'm really not all that evil, and bingbong isn't either. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 24 06:49:41 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:24:54 2013. this is a very offensive action on the part of the Catholic Church.It's official Christian doctrine, not just some random Catholic action. That's why there are different religions in the world and they all purport to be the True one. No different than a Christian crying offense at Islam's claim that the Word was not completed with Revelation and that Jesus was just a prophet rather than the Incarnate. They're a separate religion so why shouldn't they have a successor holy book with a successor prophet? Same with the LDS and their Book of Mormon. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 06:53:34 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:36:24 2013. Wow ... just read what I said back there and it seemed improperly harsh at first read. Yeah, I'd agree too ... but look at what kinda Pope's we've had up until Francis ... maybe there's some hope with this guy. As a Catholic, I've been rather depressed at the last couple of Popes, and I'm QUITE serious about that. Fortunately those of us Catholics who actually KNOW how it works (thank the seminary in MY case) have flipped the past couple of Popes the "you're number one" finger. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 24 06:54:18 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 06:36:24 2013. I doubt that menorah was there in remembrance of the miracle of Chanukkah.The events celebrated in that Jewish holiday are totally irrelevant in Catholicism and are never brought up in the liturgy nor is there any feast on its calendar to mark the occasion. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 24 08:13:17 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 23 23:42:43 2013. Jeremiah was in Ireland?When did this happen? And how did he get it there? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 24 08:23:36 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 03:03:12 2013. Jews also believe that your sins are forgiven if you repent and sin no more. That is the entire point of Yom Kippur - a special day that God has set aside for true repentance and forgiveness. But the big difference is that Christians believe that God is forever inaccessible to man except through belief in Jesus, while Jews believe that no intermediary was ever necessary and never will be. During the Temple times, the High Priest would perform the services as the human representative of the entire Jewish people but the High Priest himself was always human - never divine. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 24 09:14:03 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 23 19:40:23 2013. Food that is oversalted. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 24 09:25:16 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 24 09:14:03 2013. There is plenty of salt free and low sodium Jewish food. What are you blathering about? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 24 09:29:41 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 23 19:45:30 2013. What rock did you crawl out from under? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 24 09:33:18 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 24 08:23:36 2013. Don't know where that belief came from. There was always a blood price to pay for sin, hence the Temple sacrifices as symbolic of that (especially the Passover sacrifice). Yisheyah (Isaiah) chapter 53 gives that concept some more detail. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 24 09:34:09 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 24 09:29:41 2013. Yes, he oughta go back under it. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 10:28:45 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 23 17:18:28 2013. There are plenty of Jews in Rome. Why can't the Vatican put up a Menorah to honor them?The Jews in Rome have a menorah in Piazza Bologna. The Jews in Vatican City can take it up with the Vatican City Chabad if they want their own :). While its true that the Vatican operates as its own city-state, don't tell me that it doesn't rely on Rome for basic operations, such as electric, sewer, water... Yes, the Vatican generates a portion of its own utilities and purchases the rest from Italy. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 10:32:06 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 24 09:33:18 2013. Don't know where that belief came from. There was always a blood price to pay for sin, hence the Temple sacrifices as symbolic of that (especially the Passover sacrifice).That belief came from the fact that we don't have a Temple for those sacrifices at the moment. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 10:35:02 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 10:28:45 2013. This Chabad of Piazza Bologna is new, when I lived there in early 2008 there was only a single Chabad and the rabbi's son was starting something new on the opposite side of the city. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 10:54:49 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 10:35:02 2013. This Chabad of Piazza Bologna is new, when I lived there in early 2008 there was only a single Chabad and the rabbi's son was starting something new on the opposite side of the city.Jewish Geography time! Did you know the Benjaminsons? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 10:57:46 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 10:54:49 2013. I don't think so. How would I know them? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 11:02:35 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 10:57:46 2013. I don't think so. How would I know them?If you lived there and went to the Chabad. They may have moved back to the U.S. by then. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 11:04:32 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 24 11:02:35 2013. I went to the (not so) Great Synagogue Friday nights and the "Ashkenaz" shul run by the Chabad Rabbi with the mostly Sephardi congregation some Saturdays. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 24 12:07:53 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 04:01:02 2013. It has nothing to do with Pius. Relations have been bad since Peter. It's only starting with John XXIII that there has been improvement of relations. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 17:01:40 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 24 12:07:53 2013. A lot of the survivors blamed Pius for not stopping Hitler. Not that there was anything much that he could have done beyond what he did. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 24 22:26:31 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 24 03:37:52 2013. Only problem is now that I'm taking a closer look at the image, that candelabra seems to only have 7 branches. A chanukiyah needs 8 plus an extra one for the "shamash." I'm not gonna even read the rest of this subthread. It's obvious that SelkirkTMO has no idea what he's talking about (as usual) and the candelabra shown in the photo has nothing to do with Chanukah. Take Pride,
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 25 00:40:30 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 24 02:38:08 2013. I hear you.but..its so much EASIER to hate than it is to love. feeling affectionate towards someone leaves that person OPEN and vulnerable to PAIN/RIDICULE..FROM the recipient. Look around here,for example. there are more than enough here who'd rather lash out..than make nice..striking out at others in the ever popular trollish fashion to "strike first" while the iron is hot. going out of their way to score points for the "ridicule club".. its easy to hate..rather than love.. love takes TOO MUCH effort..being nice..caring..showing kindness.. far too much effort to help someone..going out of the way to make someones day go so much better. Here my something to make YOU feel better.. Merry Christmas.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 25 01:14:19 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 25 00:40:30 2013. Thanks, man! Back at ya! :) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Dec 25 01:43:10 2013, in response to Re: Knesset Speaker Snubs Israeli Christian Population, Refuses to Put Up Tree, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 24 22:26:31 2013. I think we need to give Selkirk the benefit of the doubt here. There are news stories that corroborate what he is saying, and he did provide proff to back up his side (isn't it amazing what happens when people provide proff when requested)... |
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