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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 11:25:57 2012 Rmoney kowtowed again to the RW extremists and canned one of the few considered competent in foreign policy aides he has. Because he's gay. More proof inclusiveness is foreign to republicans, more proof Rmoney will kowtow to the RW now and if in office..... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:10:03 2012, in response to Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 11:25:57 2012. This disgusted a lot of people who supported Romney. What mystifies us is that there was NO real effort, publically, to get him to quit. The NYT is dead wrong there. So why did he quit? Make the issue go away? Pressure by gay rights activists embarassed a Republican candidate would have an openly gay spokesman? Pressure from a socially conservative bundler? Skeletons in Grenell's closet? Either way, a sad spectacle.Romney DID give him the job, so that pretty much proves he's no militant homophobe. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 3 13:12:16 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:10:03 2012. Never mind the OP lying about him being fired. Lies are not debate. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 13:17:59 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:10:03 2012. This episode means that he is caving to pressures from the RW. If he does it once, he'll do it again. The article goes into what happened. Read it. Whether or not the pressure was public or not doesn't matter. Outcomes DO.It means he is NO centrist,like he's trying to claim. If he wanted the guy badly enough (and given he has no foreign policy he really could use someone with an awareness of same which Grenell has) he could have stood up for him. He didn't. flip FLOP. Thud. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 13:18:40 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's LW, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 3 13:12:16 2012. Didn't read the article didn't ya? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 3 13:23:21 2012, in response to Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 11:25:57 2012. Rmoney? LOL!! I've seen that one before. When we people realize that that kind of ridicule (like saying Barack HUSSEIN Obama) is only for the choir, but you probably think it is oh-so-clever? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:25:17 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by SLRT on Thu May 3 13:23:21 2012.  Drink up. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 14:16:15 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by SLRT on Thu May 3 13:23:21 2012. It's a typo. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 3 14:34:05 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:10:03 2012. What mystifies us is that there was NO real effort, publically, to get him to quit.Why would that mystify you? The pressure was obviously private. And it wasn't on him to quit. It was on Romney to hide him from all public exposure. That in turn made him quit. I doubt he quit out of gay solidarity. If he's competent, he would have quit out of being shown that he wouldn't be allowed reasonable flexibility in how he could do his job. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 3 15:20:48 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 14:16:15 2012. OK, then I apologize. But I have seen others use it intentionally. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 15:28:24 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by SLRT on Thu May 3 15:20:48 2012. Stuff like that is really cheesy and removes the maturity from the debate. All that "shrub" nonsense, and spelling it Klinton, and calling our Prez "obummer" is just dumb.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 15:34:55 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by AlM on Thu May 3 14:34:05 2012. There's no real proof of any pressure whatsoever. The only harsh critics of Grendell's hiring have been from the left. While some hardcore socially conservative organizations expressed disappointment, it was notably reserved and tame. Romney didn't really risk anything by hiring him, but could have potentially benefited big time by showing at least part of the GOP has given up the anti-gay crusade. That's why I suspect something else was going on. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 15:44:12 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 15:34:55 2012. Your suspicions don't amount to a hill of beans compared to off-camera pressure of the RW. That the campaign was trying o hide him tells all. If they were ready to fight back, thy would have kept him up and active. If they were ready to, as you say "shown they've given up the anti-gay crusade", they would have fought for him. They didn't. They know towed to the RW extremists. They can't be trusted. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 15:45:14 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 15:34:55 2012. Hahaha, reserved and tame.
LOL your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Thu May 3 16:02:39 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's LW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 13:18:40 2012. All America is to Olog is a military resource to fight for his personal agenda even though he didn't have the balls to serve when he had the chance. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 17:06:13 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 15:28:24 2012. Ah, but Shrub at least was an accurate epithet in two ways: Bush Jr, and Bush brain lite simultaneously. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 17:13:27 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 17:06:13 2012. There was Papa Doc and Baby Doc as well.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 3 17:17:20 2012, in response to Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 11:25:57 2012. I personally like ROMNEY. (Notice I spelled his name right as I have nothing against the rich) But even if everything you say about him is true he's still a million times better than the clown we have in the White House now. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 17:20:11 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 17:06:13 2012. I've always discern the two Bushes this way:Bush the father bush the son (joke line excluded) Seriously, I don't mean any disparagement, it's just easier to define them that way. Even after the past 4 years it's still hard to consider that bush was actually President for 8 years. The damage he did is still with us. We've only begun to recover. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 3 17:26:57 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 3 17:17:20 2012. I personally like ROMNEY.Too bad he doesn't like you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 3 17:33:23 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 3 17:26:57 2012. Ahh yes, and Obama really gives a shit about you. LOL. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 3 17:41:26 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 17:20:11 2012. And we will only be able to recover the past four years starting Jan 21. Thank god. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:02:09 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 3 17:17:20 2012. I don't. I do not trust him one bit, especially after his kowtowing to the extremist RW and embracing the Ryan "budget".I do not trust him to keep his misogynist religion from intruding into his policy. Consider that the only other domestic policy position he's taking is "eliminating Planned Parenthood". He offers NO clear program, yet claims he'll fix the economy. How, exactly? You can't trust someone who offers no solutions and only tears down those in his way. Makes one wonder who in the population he'll tear down to get his way. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 18:20:52 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:02:09 2012. Ryan is smarter than you and Barry cloned and fused together in some science experiment. He's the only one of you 3 whose been able to even pen a budget in YEARS. And that's with random drunk leftist teachers yelling at him at restaurants! |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:45:47 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 18:20:52 2012. Wrong. Ryan took and wrote what he thought would serve the purposes of him and his friends, regardless of the consequences for everyone outside of his little clique. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 3 19:22:03 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:02:09 2012. You know damn well he meant eliminating funding to Planned Parenthood, not eliminating it. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 19:27:58 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:45:47 2012. Why did you also befriend him, on facebook or something. The you can benefit too! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:33:03 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:45:47 2012. Not worth responding to. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:44:05 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 17:20:11 2012. Lets see about that damage. When Bush 43 took office the national debt was about $5.8 trillion. When he left office 8 years later it was just around $10 trillion. That's $4.2 trillion in 8 years while obie will have increased the national debt by more than $5 trillion after just 4 years. Yeah, we've only just begun to recover. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:45:20 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 3 19:22:03 2012. Truth? You expect truth from her? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:48:55 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 18:02:09 2012. "I do not trust him to keep his misogynist religion from intruding into his policy."Perhaps this is your religious intolerance rearing it's ugly head? Care to post your real feelings about Jews or Buddhists? I'm sure that those thoughts will be equally revealing. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 20:02:12 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 19:27:58 2012. I disn't. I wouldn't. Republicans hate women. It's been in their platform since 1980. Read it sometime. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 3 20:08:55 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 20:02:12 2012. Behold the leftist idiotic propaganda they actually believe people will believe if they say the nonsense enough times. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 3 20:09:36 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 3 20:08:55 2012. They still gotta play the part. They still win even if Obama loses after all. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 20:13:00 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 3 20:08:55 2012. They may just hate one! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 3 20:13:48 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:48:55 2012. . . . or Muslims . . . |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 20:15:24 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:44:05 2012. Your chart ends somewhere around 2007 and you offer no proof for the rest of your statement. Everything you assert is invalid. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 20:37:56 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 19:48:55 2012. I know people that are former Mormons (women) and some friends of ours had family that owned some prim real estate in Salt Lake City, in the family for generations, and weren't Mormons. Know all about that insular cult. I was being polite when I called it a religion. You ought to check them out:http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm http://www.angelfire.com/az2/arizonadry/davidwhitmer.html http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_packham/why.html It's one thing to separate individuals from their personal beliefs and assess them as they are. I have no problem with the Jewish people as a whole, but there are some Jewish individuals I have issues with though those issues have nothing to do with their faith. They're just nasty hateful people. There are non Jewish hateful people I have equal issue with. Religion has nothing to do that. My own perspectives regarding myself are none of your business. |
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Why Grendell quit: Another sign he's RW |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 21:36:46 2012, in response to Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 11:25:57 2012. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/02/romney-adviser-left-after-being-silenced/Apparently Grendell is someone who likes to talk (his Twitter feed is both hilarious and biting) and he chaffed under Romney's limitations. The idea he was run out of the campaign because he was openly homosexual is laughable, because even ardent anti-gay activists on the right like Gary Bauer didn't object to Grendell's status as a homosexual. This is a little silly. Romney should ask for him to come back. No one of consequence seems to care about who he sleeps with. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 21:53:15 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 20:15:24 2012. Doesn’t matter. It’s irrelevant to the problem at hand. If we have a functioning economy we can increase taxes and lower spending to cover the deficit. You know, like the beginning of 2001.As any economist who knows what they’re talking about, you run a surplus in good years and a deficit in bad years. Problem was a certain president, who skipped his economics classes like he skipped a lot of other things, didn’t realize that and gave away the surplus to his cronies as almost the first thing he did in office. |
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Re: Why Grendell quit: Another sign he's RW |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu May 3 22:12:15 2012, in response to Why Grendell quit: Another sign he's RW, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 21:36:46 2012. You don't get it, do you? He was silenced because he was gay. Romney refused to defend him against the RW attacks, and essentially put him in a witness protection program. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 22:15:32 2012, in response to Re: Why Grendell quit: Another sign he's RW, posted by Italianstallion on Thu May 3 22:12:15 2012. Expect more spin for the next 24 hours. Probably less than the Obama eating dog episode, which we deconstructed.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 22:33:06 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 20:37:56 2012. When you post that you believe that a certain religion is misogynist, you then cannot say that your views are none of my business. You made them everyone's business when you posted your hateful opinion. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 3 23:12:06 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 21:53:15 2012. Conservatards made sure that our kids isn't learning, particularly the moral of the story about that ant and grasshopper. No concept whatsoever of "rainy day funds." And after screwing America over one way, now they're screwing it over the OTHER way. :( |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 3 23:18:50 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 21:53:15 2012. Who is going to lower spending? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 23:19:19 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 21:53:15 2012. Ah, you must be referring to the $1/2 billion obama gave to his Solyndra buddies including one of his bundlers. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 23:45:20 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 23:19:19 2012. |
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Re: Why Grendell quit: Another sign he's RW |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 4 00:04:12 2012, in response to Re: Why Grendell quit: Another sign he's RW, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 22:15:32 2012. You didn't deconstruct anything. Obama's dog incident was about as relevant as Romney's dog incident. If you think the latter was worse, or more important, you are delusional. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 4 00:09:02 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 3 22:33:06 2012. Not to mention, these are the same people that believe that Obama's Psycho minister for 20 years was a reputable religion. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 4 00:10:44 2012, in response to Re: Another sign he's RW, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 4 00:09:02 2012. False. Both of us merely observed that what was claimed that he said was an edited fabrication. So you two ... how about them Muslims? |
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