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70 years ago today

Posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 18:53:17 2012

FDR the biggest tyrant ever to be elected President issued Executive Order 9066 sending Asian Americans to concentration camps. and the man's face is still on the Dime disgusting..

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 19 18:53:54 2012, in response to 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 18:53:17 2012.

Fuck you, subhuman idiot. you should be a medical experiment.
The altrernative to a strong German based EU is a strong Russia. Now stop vandalizing threads and scrub my toilet, you shanty trash piece of shit. Then learn to love the EU which is the strongest defender of Western Civilization besides America and Israel

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 18:55:12 2012, in response to 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 18:53:17 2012.

That was not one of FDR's better moments. Pobody's nerfect.

But the rest of his legacy will stand forever.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 18:55:12 2012.

i love how racism gets overlooked if the racist supports statist economics. why is it that when someone opposes a strong federal government racism makes anything else do invalid while when someone supports a strong federal government they can get away with whatever they want on the issue of race. the left thinks Reagan's "welfare Queens" comment is worse than than FDR sending people to prison camps because of their race.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:05:08 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 19 18:53:54 2012.

what did i do to provoke this response?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 19:07:54 2012, in response to 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 18:53:17 2012.

Were Germans and Italians also locked up on a smaller scale?



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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 19:10:55 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

You gotta concede that being in a shooting war with Japan is a lot more cause to imprison them than just "because of their race". I'm not saying it was right but the impetus is more complex than you describe.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 19:13:52 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 19:10:55 2012.

True.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 19:15:11 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

No we do not think it is worse. I think the Japanese camps were reprehensible.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 19:16:37 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 19:07:54 2012.

Yes. Not sure about Germans but Italians -- on the west coast -- were moved away from the coast. Among others, Joe Dimaggio's father, who was a fisherman, was interned.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 19:21:31 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

the left thinks Reagan's "welfare Queens" comment is worse than than FDR sending people to prison camps because of their race.

That's because leftists feel that the Reagan comment was aimed at African-Americans, a group that has suffered more than any other group in American history. At the same time leftists have decided that Japanese-Americans have recovered from that episode in US history and no longer need their sympathy. THIW.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 19 19:23:06 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

IIRC, we weren't involved in a shooting war with the poor when Reagan made that hateful, injurious and completely inaccurate statement. Despite its inherent wrongness, we were at war at the time against Japan and the morals of the day permitted it.

The nation has since made its apology and provided some reparations to those who were wrongfully interred.

The poor have only seen their situation get worse since Reagan's time, with no apologies.

We worked on making one wrong right, as best we can. How about doing something about the other?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 19 19:26:11 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:05:08 2012.

Your LOSERtarian slander against the greatest President this country ever had. We need someone like him to rebuild our Government and CRUSH assholes like you.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 19 19:26:19 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

GTMO ... 'nuff said. :)

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 19:27:59 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

You speak the truth.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 19 19:31:09 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

I am a statist I look forward to an America where your mother would be forced under law to apologize for bearing you.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 19:33:51 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 19:21:31 2012.

Thankfully, Reagan was not a liberal lest, today, we'd still be getting spun translations of how "Welfare Queen" was actually a compliment he bestowed on African American women.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 19:37:21 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:03:47 2012.

Who said that it was worse? I mean that literally. Who...said...it...was...worse?

I'm not interested in what you infer, or your opinion or whatever, just tell me who said it was worse?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 19:40:39 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 19:21:31 2012.

That's because leftists feel that the Reagan comment was aimed at African-Americans

But that makes the leftists look racist . . .

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 19:42:54 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 19:40:39 2012.

And so they are - more so than the portray the conservatives.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:44:17 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 19:37:21 2012.

a left by getting more worked up about the Reagan quote than FDRs actions. when the Left condemns the Prison camps they act like FDR had nothing to do with it.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 19:45:07 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 19:40:39 2012.

I see your point. But that's what the leftist thrives on.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 19:57:27 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:44:17 2012.

I don't think they got more worked up but I agree they got worked up over Reagan's comments. What Reagan said was stupid and deserves chastisement but not as much chastisement as putting people in camps, no.

The bottom line is that bad stuff isn't always pushing the meter all the way to Hitler and just because it's not Hitler* doesn't mean it's not bad. And just because people get worked up over one bad event doesn't mean they're turning their backs on another, equally or worse bad event.

your pal,
Fred

*the benchmark for bad

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 20:41:10 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 18:55:12 2012.

What FDR did in 1941 was just like 2000 and the Twin Towers to many: all Islamics are evil. Remember on December 7 1941 the Japaneses bombed Pearl Harbor.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by irt1958 on Sun Feb 19 21:23:35 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 19:10:55 2012.

Germans and Italians were not imprisoned and the US was in a (huge) shooting war with them during that time.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 21:26:28 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by irt1958 on Sun Feb 19 21:23:35 2012.

They were imprisoned. But they made up a far larger percentage of the total US population by then, making it impossible to imprison them.

Can you understand that?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 19 21:30:32 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 19 19:26:11 2012.

The greatest President we ever had just happened to have the same last name as him and was distantly related.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 21:36:53 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 20:41:10 2012.

What FDR did in 1941 was just like 2000 and the Twin Towers to many


what did FDR in 1941 what happened at the twin towers in 2000 and how are they alike?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 22:10:26 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by irt1958 on Sun Feb 19 21:23:35 2012.

I won't argue that but my point was that the war led to the internment. If it weren't for the attack on Pearl Harbor and the war it began, the Japanese would have continued living in their own homes.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:22:25 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 19:05:08 2012.

Maybe the fact that you have the intelligence of a house plant has something to do with the response?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 23:00:30 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 21:36:53 2012.

What I posted was a comparing what FDR did and what happened with the Twin Towers. Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and FDR had Japaneses Americans imprisoned, Islamics flew airplanes into the Twin Towers and Islamic Americans got blamed too.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 23:09:16 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 19 18:53:54 2012.

You sound nuttier than danD with that load of antisemitic hot air there, rocKKKparKKKnazi.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 23:32:42 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by irt1958 on Sun Feb 19 21:23:35 2012.

Germans and Italians were moved away from the west coast, though not as ill treated as the Japanese. Racism had a lot to do with the disparate treatment.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 23:33:42 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 23:00:30 2012.

Yes, there is a parallel. In neither case was the blame justified.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 23:35:23 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 23:00:30 2012.

Hardly to the same extent. They were not rounded up and put in detention camps. Considering that roughly the same number of Americans dies at the ETC as did on Pearl Harbor, I think we showed enormous restraint.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 23:35:44 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:22:25 2012.

No need to insult houseplants.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 23:56:15 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 23:32:42 2012.

Racism? How realistic was it to imprison Germans and Italians. They were already a big chunk of the population compared to Japanese.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 23:59:35 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 19 23:56:15 2012.

It wasn't realistic, I agree. But the internment of the Japanese (most of whom were citizens, for God's sake) was so out of proportion to any threat . . .

They could've just interned the non-citizens, for instance.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 04:29:11 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 23:35:44 2012.

+1 and +2 to both of you.

People in the Cult of The Ron Paul need to have the ASPCA implant a GPS chip on them so that they can be continually tracked.



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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Feb 20 05:09:14 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 19 21:30:32 2012.

He was a distant second. A Bull Mooser.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 20 06:24:29 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 23:00:30 2012.

?????
Where were Muslims rounded up and put in concentration camps?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 20 10:13:15 2012, in response to 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Sun Feb 19 18:53:17 2012.

One of the saddest chapters of our history.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by dand124 on Mon Feb 20 10:33:08 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 19 23:00:30 2012.

but you got the dates of both events wrong.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 10:35:04 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Mon Feb 20 10:33:08 2012.

Are you trying to say "WADL!"?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 11:27:34 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 19 21:30:32 2012.

Teddy? Although Truman was before my time, I always had a lot of respect for him.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by vfrt on Mon Feb 20 15:16:25 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 11:27:34 2012.

Me too, Truman dropped the a-bombs on the Japanese and ended the war, period!

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 15:21:22 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 11:27:34 2012.

I'm divided in my opinion. Using the A-bomb was the right move, but firing MacArthur the absolutely wrong move.

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Feb 20 18:40:27 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:22:25 2012.

YAY!!!!!!!

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Feb 20 18:53:54 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 23:09:16 2012.

Fuck you fool. Would you rather the USSR/Russia called the shots in Europe?

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Re: 70 years ago today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 20 19:02:39 2012, in response to Re: 70 years ago today, posted by dand124 on Mon Feb 20 10:33:08 2012.

LOL!!!!

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