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Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012

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Will Romney's Foreign-Policy Fumble Doom His Campaign?

As Republicans and Democrats alike judge his response to the embassy attacks harshly, this could be a turning point.

Will Mitt Romney look back on this day as the blunder that doomed his campaign?

It's too soon to tell, of course. But the reaction to his recent foreign-policy moves has been overwhelmingly negative, from Republicans and Democrats alike, to the point that some wonder whether it could begin to disqualify him in voters' minds.

Romney's response to the incidents of the last 24 hours -- the storming of the American embassy in Cairo and the killing of the American ambassador and three others in Libya -- is widely being regarded as hasty and ham-handed. From his initial statement late Tuesday, which accused the Obama Administration of "sympathiz[ing] with those who waged the attacks," to his Wednesday morning press conference reinforcing that criticism, Romney, critics say, appeared overly eager to turn the tragedy into a political wedge, and insufficiently respectful of the gravity of the situation.

"I think it's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values," Romney said at a news conference in Jacksonville, some 12 hours after his initial statement. (Here's a useful chronology of the various events and statements.) "When our grounds are being attacked and being breached, the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation."

As Romney himself noted moments later, this is a presidential campaign, and everything is fair game, especially when events provide the candidates with opportunities to air their honest differences in ways that can be illuminating to the electorate. But his comments struck a sour note in light of the fact that the Egyptian embassy's statement condemning those who would attempt "to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims" had long since been disavowed by the administration.

Romney was undeterred, saying the president is responsible for statements from embassies, and that the White House's distancing itself from the statement only "reflect[ed] the mixed signals they're sending to the world." It seemed no matter what the administration did, Romney would find fault with it, and his fixation on doing so seemed to overshadow his stated concern for the lives lost in the attacks. (The Romney campaign's rationale for the tough tone was that it needed to seize the offensive on a pressing national issue.)

The pundits' judgment was harsh. Time's Mark Halperin said Romney's "doubling down on criticism of the President for the statement coming out of Cairo is likely to be seen as one of the most craven and ill-advised tactical moves in this entire campaign." A senior Republican told BuzzFeed's Ben Smith it was Romney's "Lehman moment," a reference to John McCain's hasty reaction to the 2008 financial crisis -- a turning point in the last presidential campaign. Conservative pundit Matt Lewis wrote in the Daily Caller, "The problem with Mitt Romney continues to be Mitt Romney," comparing his reaction to the way Michael Dukakis was parodied as "weak and passionless" on Saturday Night Live. On Fox News, conservative commentator and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan said, "In times of great drama and heightened crisis ... I always think discretion is the better way to go," saying Romney was leaving himself open to accusations of politicizing a tragedy. "I don't feel that Mr. Romney has been doing himself any favors in the past few hours," she said. Though Romney had his defenders as well, the gelling consensus was clearly against him.

Foreign policy has always been a tough spot for Romney. He has to contend with both Obama's perceived strength on the issue -- 58 percent approve of the president's handling of terrorism, according to Gallup -- and his own party's internal divisions on international affairs. His stances on foreign issues have frequently been muddled, from his shifting position on Libya to his sometimes confusing criticism of the administration's Afghanistan policy.

Romney would prefer to downplay foreign policy and focus on the economy instead, but Democrats have already shown they're not going to let him: Witness John Kerry's brutal speech at last week's Democratic convention, in which he called Romney and vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan "the most inexperienced foreign-policy twosome to run for president and vice president in decades." Or look at the attacks Democrats have recently mounted over Romney's failure to mention Afghanistan during his Republican convention address -- and his clumsy response, in a Fox News interview: "You talk about the things that you think are important."

Romney's Libya blunder might be just a blip, a single news cycle lost in a campaign that still has nearly two months to go and will surely refocus on the economy before long. There's also the possibility that further developments overseas reflect badly on the administration and somehow make Romney's critique look prescient rather than crass.

But if today's events turn into a bigger problem for Romney, it will be because they fit neatly into a damning narrative that was already under construction: that Romney's inexperience and incoherence on foreign affairs make him unfit for the office he is seeking. Like Dukakis before him, who looked so implausible posed in a helmet and tank that the believability of his whole campaign was deflated, the peril for Romney is that voters may decide he doesn't pass the commander-in-chief test.



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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 12 19:48:27 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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No one gives a shit(but you will at 2:30 am tonight).

Nothing is moving the polls. Not the RNC. Not the DNC. Not Bill Clinton. Not the pathetic jobs report released on Friday.

This is going to be a close election.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 12 20:16:21 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 12 19:48:27 2012.

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I care. It was the wrong time to be criticizing the US while shit was still being dealt with and lives were in jeopardy.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 12 20:16:58 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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It's more likely that the sum and total of all these gaffes, blunders, missteps, misspeaks and plain ol' stupidity is what will do him in. He keeps proving he's not ready for prime time.

Even if this gets forgotten there'll be plenty about it to discuss at the foreign policy debate. Taxpayers on extension must file by Oct 15. That issue will be back too. We've already seen the War on Women revived by some downticket creeps. I have faith this won't go away either.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 12 20:18:05 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 12 20:16:21 2012.

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I think Obama was more worried about his Letterman appearance anyway.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 12 20:24:52 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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In answer to the title of this thread, it'd only have repercussions if FOX News reported it. Had to say that for Luch. :)

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 12 20:27:31 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 12 19:48:27 2012.

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I look at the electoral map and see it's far from close. Hasn't been yet.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 12 21:27:55 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 12 20:18:05 2012.

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You so crazy.

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Re: The Atlantic LOL

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 12 21:35:04 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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They're going to get a hernia for all that lifting for the POTUS, sorry.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 12 21:46:37 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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I actually agree with Mitt's remarks...an attack on a foreign sovereignty's embassy is tantamount to attacking the country.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 12 21:49:35 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 12 21:46:37 2012.

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Indeed it is, and two Naval vessels are already on their way. Guess what happens next?

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Sep 12 21:55:31 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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Mitt is unfit to be C-in-C.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 12 22:07:19 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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Hope not. I don't want to be stuck with a bigger bumbler incompetant for another four years.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Sep 12 22:09:38 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 12 22:07:19 2012.

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Mitt is unfit to be C-in-C.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Sep 12 22:19:14 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 12 22:07:19 2012.

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Stupid statement of the day.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 12 22:21:34 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 12 22:07:19 2012.

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Willard is clearly the bigger bumbler. Good thing it's unlikely he'll win.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 12 23:46:47 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 12 21:27:55 2012.

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why? I hardly bash Obama. I don't think he needs to be on Letterman. That's the part of Obama I don't like. The Pop Culture Icon.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Sep 13 08:31:55 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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Of course not; it was already doomed.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 13 09:00:44 2012, in response to Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 12 19:46:36 2012.

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As I figured, more leftist propaganda from blogs. Leftists find comfort in hearing others talk like they do.
No wonder a source wasn't listed.

Google Search

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 13 09:01:18 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 12 20:24:52 2012.

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It's leftist blogs reporting this nonsense.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 13 09:30:58 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 13 09:00:44 2012.

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So will it doom his campaign or not?

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by bingbong on Thu Sep 13 09:45:24 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 13 09:30:58 2012.

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If not today, there's always the foreign policy debate to bring it up again in.

If not this alone, the sum and total of days like this will do it.

The War on Women came back. Tax returns will come back (he'll be releasing his final mid-October as extension filings are due Oct 15). This will too.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 13 09:46:38 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 13 09:30:58 2012.

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LOL!! Of course not.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 13:59:12 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 12 22:07:19 2012.

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Good thing then that Bush can't run again.

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 13 18:15:03 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 13 09:01:18 2012.

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So I was right then ... FOX is guiding you guys in whistling past the graveyard. :)

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Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 19:56:47 2012, in response to Re: Did Romney's Embassy Remarks Doom his Campaign?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 13 09:00:44 2012.

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Leftists find comfort in hearing others talk like they do.

That's why all the talk radio programs are liberal. Oh wait.

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