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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 10:25:16 2012 How Ryan Makes Romney's "Tax Problem" WorseAlec MacGillis: "Already, there is a curious bit of conventional wisdom taking hold that Mitt Romney's choice of Paul Ryan is shrewd because it will draw attention from Romney's ever-more apparent weaknesses, notably the more rapacious elements of his work at Bain Capital and his undisclosed tax returns. Sorry, but this makes no sense. It seems hard to imagine a running mate who would jibe better with the Democrats' Bain Capital attacks than a well-born Ayn Rand acolyte. More crucially, it is hard to imagine a running mate who will draw more attention to the matter of Romney's taxes than Paul Ryan. Why? Because under the 'Ryan plan' that made the congressman famous, Mitt Romney would pay zero taxes." "Don't believe it? Romney himself said so, just a few months ago." Matthew Ryan: "Under Paul Ryan's plan, Mitt Romney wouldn't pay any taxes for the next ten years -- or any of the years after that. Now, do I know that that's true. Yes, I'm certain." IMO, it does both. The adherent of a fiction-based pseudo-philosophy based on selfishness strengthens the argument about Willard's greed based work at Bain...all the scuttled companies, all the lost livelihoods, all the harm caused for profit mesh with the greed of Rand's characters... Of course there's the taxes, the plan featuring the total absence of fairness, which strengthens the argument for full disclosure. Maybe even from both. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 12 10:35:45 2012, in response to How Ryan Makes Romney's "Tax Problem" Worse, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 10:25:16 2012. I don't think it makes a difference. The people who despise Ryan's plan or think that Romney's business past is a disqualifier weren't going to vote for Romney in the first place. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 11:15:27 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 12 10:35:45 2012. I think it does. Over time there's going to be a lot of hypocrisy talk WRT these two. That will augment the argument for releasing the tax returns. It looks like this will hound Willard all the way to November.For example, this question's already popped up... How many years of returns did the vetting committee request from Ryan? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 12:07:40 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 12 10:35:45 2012. That's something the extremists such as bingbong don't get or understand. No matter how much they say about how "terrible" he is, or about his "problems", it's really irrelevant, as any of them weren't going to vote for Romney anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 12:08:08 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 11:15:27 2012. You are one of the most extremists here. No one can take your partisan crap seriously. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 12:52:29 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 12:08:08 2012. George Stephanopoulos asked Tim Pawlenty, who was also vetted alongside Ryan, how many years of tax returns did they request.......the answer was "a bunch"...later refined to several years. These questions will continue to dog the candidate. These aren't my words, these are the words of the people out there. Your reaction should be directed to them and their content, instead of personalizing it to me. This shows an absence of thought on your part. Or do you actually agree with the quotes? If you can't deal with it, then stay out of the argument. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 13:46:26 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 12:52:29 2012. I can handle any argument....it's you that just persists to shove opinions, unsubstantiated, and sometimes outright made up and present it as "fact". You can't be taken seriously. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 12 13:49:37 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 13:46:26 2012. I can handle any argumentWell yeah. It's just that making up stuff isn't arguing . . . (which is what makes me ignore certain posters most of the time) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 13:57:16 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 12 13:49:37 2012. She's been caught too many times outright making stuff up, it's not even worth responding. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Sun Aug 12 13:58:26 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 13:57:16 2012. you mean like you still haven't admitted being wrong about pearl harbor? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 14:09:41 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by DAND124 on Sun Aug 12 13:58:26 2012. Pearl Harbor?You mean a Japanese flag on a Japanese ship participating in a world event? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 12 14:20:00 2012, in response to How Ryan Makes Romney's "Tax Problem" Worse, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 10:25:16 2012. Wow, the desperation is growing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 14:26:55 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 12 14:20:00 2012. YEah, the recent posts against Ryan by the circus club have been hysterical!Leftist desperation. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 12 14:30:37 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 14:26:55 2012. bingbong has a crush on him, it's so obvious.
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 14:53:57 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 12 13:49:37 2012. Which he does all the time. Makes bizarre statements, with noattribution. Won't prove a thing."The Obama plan is worse for seniors" remains unsubstantiated. He cannot prove that. Probably saw it on some RWblog or heard it on RW hate radio. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 15:04:07 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 12 14:30:37 2012. Wow you're delerious. He reminds me of: Always preferred the Addams Family. The Munsters always seemed like a cheap ripoff tome. ...then again, so is the Ryan "budget". A ripoff of 99% of Americans. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 15:11:15 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 12 14:20:00 2012. Isn't it? To think that at this point he still has to work on his base? Yes, I know he decided before his failed European thing. That makes it even clearer that the decision was based on the party's fright over low republican turnout in November.There are people saying this could cost them the House as well. Now that Ryan is on the ticket, the whole of his budget is going to be discussed in greta detail and brought forward loudly to all of America. Since every republican incumbent voted for it at least once, each owns it and will have to explain themselves. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 12 15:34:19 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 12 13:49:37 2012. Romney is the worst at making stuff up, like:1. Obama is doing away with welfare work requirements. Even Gingrich walked back from that one. 2. Obama says entrepreneurs didn't build their companies. No, he said they didn't build the infrastructure that supports their companies. Romney just lies about everything. No wonder people don't believe there's nothing to hide in his tax returns. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 15:51:22 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 14:53:57 2012. Obama's bill cuts medicare by $500 billion over the next decade, that's bad for seniors.http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/19/pf/medicare_proposals.moneymag/index.htm |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Aug 12 15:58:18 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 12 15:51:22 2012. One way Democrats try to knock down provider costs is to flatly insist on lower ones. Payments to private insurers who run Medicare Advantage plans have been cut, for instance, and the fees that Medicare pays to hospitals have been curbed as well. That's where the $500 billion in Medicare savings under the new law came from.Not bad for seniors at all, as rising fees have been curbed. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 12 18:04:01 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Fred G on Sun Aug 12 15:58:18 2012. And no benefits have been cut, unlike the result of Ryan's plan.PS, the "Ryan budget" adopts the very same $500 million savings that are in Obamacare! |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Aug 12 19:11:32 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 12 18:04:01 2012. Right but it's worse under Obamacare because of ODS.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 12 19:23:21 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by Fred G on Sun Aug 12 19:11:32 2012. Of course. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 13 06:11:02 2012, in response to Re: How Ryan Makes Romney's ''Tax Problem'' Worse, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 12 15:04:07 2012. OMG!It's HIM, bingbong. IT'S HIM!!! |
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