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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012 It certainly looks as though our decision to outsource our space program to the Russians was as wise as our investment in Solyndra. Unfortunately, this could potentially be a more costly decision. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 01:34:48 2012, in response to Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012. Ayup ... and just like Solyndra, it was Bush that did it. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 03:49:07 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 01:34:48 2012. And as usual with Train Dud he ignores the simple fact that Obama's leadership of NASA has created the Commercial Crew program which will ensure US launched manned missions by 2015. That is at least two years before Dubya's Constellation program would have launched an Orion capsule atop the Ares I. But I guess what he's really saying here is that he'd prefer NASA keep buying seats from Russia for as long as possible. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 04:09:45 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 03:49:07 2012. I don't think he's saying anything beyond the usual party propaganda. That's why I don't bother with him over any details. If it didn't come from Hannity then it never happened. :-\Why even bother with the other details of Bush's scuttling of NASA? After all, if there's no more research then there isn't anything to fly either. Thank heavens Obama saw the light and is restarting things with a slight bit of intelligence to it, something that's been lacking since Clinton's last NASA budget requests. Though I *am* disappointed that there wasn't any funding to send Newt to the moon. :) |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Aug 9 07:09:19 2012, in response to Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012. This isn't really something that is attributable to the Russian space program or any other. This was a commercial launch, they happen reasonably frequently and sometimes they fail.The article is incorrect in one regard for certain -- the amount of space junk that has been added is closer to $200 Million than $2 Million. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 09:31:15 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 03:49:07 2012. Ah so instead of just disagreeing, you need to be a little blue-ribbon wearing cunt and start name calling. I guess that's how it works for you, pussy boy. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 09:48:25 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 09:31:15 2012. You're an ASSHOLE......." I guess that's how it works for you, pussy boy." hmmm....I see you never evolved out of High School.....still with that childish mentality. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 09:55:12 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 09:48:25 2012. Will had it coming to him just like the other poster Fred took a shot at.. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 10:21:20 2012, in response to Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012. It is interesting that Obama really said nothing about the Mars Mission-Curiosty.He released statements to the press congratulating NASA but really said nothing else. This from a man who said police acted stupidly, Trevon Martin would look like his son and successful business's are lucky, no hard work, just luck. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 10:23:47 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 01:34:48 2012. But the Bush administration did not have a NASA outreach program to Muslims, whatever the hell that is.It happened in 2010. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 10:34:22 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 10:21:20 2012. It is interesting that Obama really said nothing about the Mars Mission-CuriostyJoint operation with the ESA. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 9 10:37:36 2012, in response to Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012. 8 more years! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 9 10:38:09 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 03:49:07 2012. "which will ensure "You've really lost it lately. You used to cut and paste coherent text. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 9 10:39:21 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 10:23:47 2012. And muslims will all be "ensured" to feel good about them themselves in '2015'. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 9 10:42:10 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 10:34:22 2012. Not this one. This is a NASA mission. Everything American.Naturally there is global cooperation with tracking, as there is for everything that gets shot up. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:30:09 2012, in response to Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012. It certainly looks as though our decision to outsource our space program to the Russians.Say it ain't so!! 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 11:33:31 2012, in response to Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 01:19:21 2012. The hardline commie party (which is still very much active in Russia) must be laughing daily at this fact. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 12:22:36 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 09:31:15 2012. If you're going to pick and choose your idiotic talking points based on some fabricated reality where Dubya didn't plan to cancel the Shuttle in 2010 and start flying the Ares I in 2017 then it's not a simple matter of disagreement. I'm attempting to correct the erroneous bullshit you've manufactured in your pitiful attempt to slander the Obama administration for the Dubya administration's many and varied failures, lest some of our less informed forum members actually get the impression your lies might have some veracity. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 12:24:25 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 09:55:12 2012. In what way did I "have it coming" for pointing out the actual timeline Steve chose to ignore in his pitiful attempt to make his partisan point? |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 12:51:18 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 9 10:38:09 2012. What is incorrect about what I said? I'll admit schedules may slip such that manned launches don't commence until early 2016. But NASA is carrying forward three dissimilar concepts and none of them require any additional booster development, so the risk of all three failing to make the schedule is greatly minimized. By contrast 2017 was a fairly optimistic assessment for the first flight of the Ares I. We could well have wound up flying with the Russians through 2020 if NASA hadn't canceled Constellation.I know you'd rather have the Shuttle back, but that particularly expensive deathtrap has been put out of its misery. It's just unfortunate the prior administration made virtually no plans to maximize existing launch infrastructure to replace the Shuttle's manned spaceflight capability. To ignore the efforts this administration has taken toward freeing NASA from the cost of using Soyuz seats simply identifies you as yet another inconsequential partisan hack. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:15:47 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 12:22:36 2012. Ah but did you address the current russian space failure? Did you address the 2 previous where their unmanned transport failed to dock properly. It seems that around you no one can say anything against mother-russia because you have become a butt-crack licking sympathizer. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:24:18 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Charles G on Thu Aug 9 07:09:19 2012. I thought that the $2 million number was very low. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:25:53 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 12:51:18 2012. Did the latest Russian launch fail to achieve its goal? Did the mission succeed? Simple questions, willy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:26:52 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 09:48:25 2012. Get a job you bum! Stop living off daddy's money. Do you hear me now? |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Aug 9 17:10:03 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:24:18 2012. Very very low.I'd be thrilled if the total value was $2 Million -- but it ain't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 17:13:33 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Charles G on Thu Aug 9 07:09:19 2012. This was a commercial launchLOL! Guess you haven't been keeping up with the Never mind that the Proton-M is a derivative of the old Soviet Proton rocket family. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 18:40:23 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 9 12:24:25 2012. You are a college grad I'm sure you can figure it out... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 18:53:29 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:25:53 2012. bump |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 18:55:40 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 10:23:47 2012. It's part of the obama administration's "Manned Terrorist In Space" Program |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 19:00:38 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 10:23:47 2012. Yeah, better we should piss them off. :-\ |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 9 19:22:38 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:15:47 2012. And here I thought Russia was our most serious geopolitical foe. They can't even launch a freakin' rocket. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 19:25:10 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 9 19:22:38 2012. You'll really need to explain the relevance of your comment to me. As usual, you are losing some content in the attempt at satire. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 20:03:55 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 9 19:22:38 2012. Our Germans are better than their Germans, Mister President.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 9 20:14:22 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 19:25:10 2012. That was what Romney said a few weeks ago, to general hilarity. You really ought to be up on your candidate's gaffes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 20:26:39 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 9 20:14:22 2012. Those gaffes are republican "truth." :) |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 01:55:59 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:15:47 2012. Why would I want to address the current Russian spaceflight failure? They've had a spate of them lately. You mentioned the Progress resupply ship failures, but there also was the Phobos-Grunt mission to Mars which was lost before leaving LEO. They also cancelled the Rus-M booster in favor of using the smaller Angara modular rocket, with the accompanying Vostochny launch site on the Amur River and next generation PPTS capsule both in doubt. The last time the Russians had a successful interplanetary probe was back in 1988, despite three attempts.NASA needs to get away from buying seats on Soyuz capsules as soon as possible. The Space Shuttle was going to be retired as soon as Columbia disintegrated in 2003, so it was incumbent upon NASA to get its replacement up and operating as soon as possible. The rocket and capsule combination they selected, the Orion capsule atop the Ares I rocket, were due to begin flying in 2011, but that became 2017-2018 as the poor design made its impact felt. That's a delay of more than twice the original timeframe within which it was to be implemented. It certainly wasn't the Orion capsule's problem as it will fly an unmanned test mission next year. With the Ares I being put out of its misery by NASA under the Obama Administration our manned spaceflight program now falls to the entrants in NASA's commercial crew competition. These three providers are contracted to provide manned spaceflights to the ISS by 2016. By comparison, that's a year less than was originally scheduled for the Ares I/Orion combination, and less than half the time eventually slated develop that rocket. Given this if you don't want to see NASA using Russian spaceflight providers then why are you deriding the commercial manned spaceflight program which will insure we're freed from using Russian Soyuz capsules as soon as possible. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 02:03:15 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 9 15:25:53 2012. Calm down skippy, some of us have jobs.Again, if you're against using Russian spaceflight services then why are you against the President's plans for NASA? We got an extra Space Shuttle flight the Dubya administration hadn't planned on, and we're going to get a US Manned spaceflight capability well before the Ares I would have delivered. This kept us away from a Russian monopoly for an additional year, and it will eliminate their monopoly earlier. What exactly is objectionable about this? Or can you just admit it's Obama Derangement Syndrome? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 04:10:09 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 17:13:33 2012. While all Russian launches are performed by the Russian military, they are arranged by Western companies through Russian companies which contract the military's launch services. This is very similar to the arrangement under which the Atlas Centaur and Commercial Titan III launches were sold by US companies despite the actual launch services being provided by the USAF prior to the DOD ceding launch services to ULA. One would never have said a Commercial Titan III launch of an Intelsat communication satellite was anything other than commercial, and so it is with this launch. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 10 09:08:14 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 01:55:59 2012. "Given this if you don't want to see NASA using Russian spaceflight providers then why are you deriding the commercial manned spaceflight program which will insure we're freed from using Russian Soyuz capsules as soon as possible.Your viewpoints are quite child-like. The fact that I want a specific outcome should not mean that I cannot point to failures when they occur. That's the very telling issue with extremist liberals. They can never admit it when one of their candidates mis-steps. They can never say he (or she) was wrong to do that or say that. Thank you, Will, but regardless of the "consequences" when there is a failure, I will continue to point it out. If this offends your fine sensibilities, well that is just too bad, isn't it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 10 09:13:33 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 02:03:15 2012. Hey fuck-face, I have your "skippy" swinging. I asked a simple "yes or no" question. Why can't you give a simple "yes or no" answer. Are you incapable of that. And don't pull that "I have a job" shit. Scraping bird shit ain't exactly high tech. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Aug 10 10:40:45 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 01:55:59 2012. Will...he'll say something about pointing out failure but will never acknowledge his own, the failure of his politics, the failure that was the bush regime and the fact that President Obama has succeeded in ways he will never admit. His is a closed minded simplistic mechanical thinking, ignoring the very features of intelligence that make us fully human. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Aug 10 11:37:17 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 9 20:14:22 2012. I'm surprised he didn't call it "the Soviet Union". |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:26:57 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 10 09:13:33 2012. Why did you ask a yes or no question which had nothing to do with anything I said? Is it just that you can't read?We agree on this subject, admittedly for different reasons, yet you continue with the insults. I think we're done here, troll. Except that I guess if you call it Skippy then that'd indicate it is quite diminutive. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:35:06 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 10 09:08:14 2012. Alright, then what specific 'failures' or missteps have occurred with NASA's spaceflight program or their plans for the future under the Obama Administration? What failures have occurred in the Commercial Orbital Transportation System contracts? Just to help you out, there certainly have been failures in the COTS contracts, but they won't help your partisan rantings as they occurred under Bush.Given the circumstances of the Shuttle being retired with the prior administration utterly bungling its replacement NASA looks to be in the best position possible at the moment. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:36:47 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 18:40:23 2012. Oh right, you're a lap dog and a shill for a troll, how could I forget? I just hope he doesn't use Skippy to keep you in line. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 10 12:49:08 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:36:47 2012. LOL Willy please dont make me laugh at you Boy hows does yer girl feel that you took such a wimpy pic with a blue Ribbon in yer hair?It must SUCK that you cant work in the field you trained for huh? Next time im in Philly ill look you wimpy boy so you can say that in my face hows that? Bring the girl so she can see what a chump you are Deal? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:49:52 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by bingbong on Fri Aug 10 10:40:45 2012. That's the most entertaining thing about this thread, we agree that NASA needs to get away from using Russian launches, yet for some bizarre reason he's trying to paint me as some sort of apologist for Roscosmos. It doesn't help that he ignores just who decided to retire the Shuttle and then bungled its replacement. And it's certainly a problem that he appears to be totally unfamiliar with the programs NASA is carrying forward to resupply the ISS, restart manned space exploration, and foster private investment in space. But none of that ignorance is going to keep him from making a fool out of himself in this thread. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 10 12:50:11 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:36:47 2012. *Look you up since i already know what your pathetic Face Looks like.. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 10 15:37:19 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by bingbong on Fri Aug 10 10:40:45 2012. You seem to have trouble staying on issue unless the subject happens to be jelly doughnuts! Have a few and go lie down. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 10 15:40:44 2012, in response to Re: Another Russian Failure in Space, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 10 12:26:57 2012. Curiosity killed the cat, wilma. Put on your blue ribbon and we'll see. |
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