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Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ...

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 27 23:57:32 2012

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Maybe all that hoohah over that pipeline wasn't so misplaced after all ...

Enbridge suffers new oil leak, shuts key pipeline

(Reuters) - Canada's Enbridge Inc. said an oil spill in Wisconsin had forced it to shut down part of the main pipeline system delivering Canadian crude to U.S. refiners on Friday, a fresh blow for a firm already facing fierce criticism from regulators.

Almost two years to the day after a major spill on a different part of its network, Enbridge shut down Line 14 after a leak that it estimated at around 1,200 barrels of oil. The 318,000 barrel per day (bpd) line, part of the Lakehead system, carries light crude oil to Chicago-area refineries.

"Enbridge is treating this situation as a top priority," said Richard Adams, vice president of U.S. Operations at Enbridge. "We are bringing all necessary resources to bear."

The cause of Friday's spill was undetermined and Enbridge Energy Partners said it had no estimate on when flows would resume. Line 14 is one of four lines that ship mainly Canadian crude via Lakehead, a 2.5 million bpd network that is the principle route for Canadian exports.

The news will not help Enbridge build public trust in its network, which has come under scrutiny following several high-profile incidents, including a spill in Alberta last month and a massive leak in Michigan two years ago.

Just weeks ago, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board delivered a scathing report of Enbridge's handling of the July 2010 rupture of its Line 6B near Marshall, Michigan, which led to more than 20,000 barrels of crude leaking into the Kalamazoo River. U.S. pipeline regulators fined it $3.7 million for the spill, their largest ever penalty.

The incidents have caused furor just as the company seeks approval for its C$6 billion Northern Gateway pipeline to Canada's West Coast from Alberta amid staunch opposition from environmental groups and native communities that warn against oil spills on land and in coastal waters.

This month, Enbridge Chief Executive Pat Daniel acknowledged in an interview with Reuters that the criticism of the company, especially from the U.S. regulator, makes it more difficult to convince Canadians to support Northern Gateway.

KEYSTONE COPS

In its report earlier this month, the NTSB said it found a complete breakdown of company safety measures, and that Enbridge employees performed like "Keystone Kops" trying to contain it. The rupture, which went undetected for 17 hours, spilled more than 20,000 barrels of heavy crude.

The board said the main failure was due to multiple small "corrosion-fatigue cracks" that grew over time to create a breach in the pipe over 80 inches long. It said Enbridge knew for years that the section of pipe was vulnerable.

The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, or PHMSA, said its probe uncovered two dozen regulation violations related to the leak, which spawned a massive clean up that the company has estimated will cost more than $700 million.

In response to the report, Enbridge said it believed its personnel were trying to do the "right thing" at the time.

Enbridge said Line 14 was a 24-inch diameter pipe that was installed in 1998, making it a relatively new line. In most cases, smaller pipeline leaks can be repaired quickly allowing operations to resume pumping, although regulators may require significant work if they find any cause for alarm. Following the leak two years ago Line 6B was shut for over two months.

No injury was reported at the line, which is near Grand Marsh, Wisconsin, Enbridge said.

(Reporting by Neha Alawadhi in Bangalore, additional reporting by Jeff Jones in Calgary, writing by Jonathan Leff; Editing by Sanjeev Miglani)

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Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ...

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 00:52:36 2012, in response to Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 27 23:57:32 2012.

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SMH....Ogallala Aquifer.

Glad somebody put the brakes on this thing.

your pal,
Fred



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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 00:55:17 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 00:52:36 2012.

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And the funny thing about all the republican hoohah over it is that all the republican Governor of Nebraska was asking for was to either slap a diaper on it or move it away from the water. :-\

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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:02:20 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 00:55:17 2012.

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It seemed like it was in every bill. The stupids here couldn't shut up about it.

your pal,
Fred

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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:04:58 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:02:20 2012.

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I shouldn't say stupid. "Ignorant about the ways of oil pipelines" is more accurate. No, wait. The ways of pipelining was explained to them. Never mind...

your pal,
Fred

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 01:05:22 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:02:20 2012.

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And blaming Obama for what the REPUBLICAN governor of Nebraska wanted ... and ya wonders why I giggle when they post? :)

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 01:10:04 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:04:58 2012.

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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:16:12 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 01:05:22 2012.

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Lulz..."facts".

your pal,
Fred

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 01:48:56 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 01:16:12 2012.

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Yep ... dem republicans gots dem ... lol!



And it's all Obama's fault ... they say.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:44:45 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 01:48:56 2012.

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Even if it was not his fault, he promised to fix it or his would be a one term presidency. This is one promise that this idiot should keep.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:46:14 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 00:52:36 2012.

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Please, there are over 2,000 pipelines currently in use including the ones that carry jet fuel under the streets of New York. Why is this one any more potentially dangerous?

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 02:47:56 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:44:45 2012.

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I suspect he could have done a lot better if Boehner and McConnell understood the word "compromise" ...but BOTH sides of the aisle have spent the past three years and change digging in even deeper. It's not like Obama refused to negotiate and that's the reason why I won't blame him alone like the other side of the aisle is.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 02:50:23 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:46:14 2012.

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Are you familiar with the particularly gritty "oil" that comes from the tar sands? It's FAR more corrosive than regular earl ... the problems that they've been having have been the result of scouring INSIDE the pipelines and failing to remedy it until after they burst. Seriously, if you look into Enbridge's problems (particularly in Canada) you'll see why there's tremendous concern about their problems.

And as to jet fuel and such in NYC ... Mobil ... Brooklyn.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:53:46 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 02:47:56 2012.

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Please! For the first 2 years of his administration he had a majority of the senate and the house. He still accomplished nothing. At least Bill Clinton, when faced with similar issues, was able to build a consensus and get things done. You can pretend to disagree all you want but there are two facts that are inescapable.

Obama's policies have been abject failures (for whatever reason you want to ascribe to them)
Obama has not shown the leadership necessary to build coalitions across party lines and successfully lead.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:56:46 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 02:50:23 2012.

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I don't understand what "Mobil Brooklyn" means but there are over 2,000 petro-chemical pipelines in use in the USA every day and we never give a thought to them. I'm quite sure that if the oil coming from Canada presented any unique problems, the pipeline would be engineered to handle them. OR are you suggesting that such would be impossible?

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 02:59:22 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:53:46 2012.

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And in the end, look at what the republicans did to him THEN ... I can't overcome propaganda, here we are just the same. I'll just leave it here - how are those EU policies the republicans demand working out?

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:03:39 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 02:59:22 2012.

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You mean that you've run out of excuses and can't justify the failure of this moron that you claim not to have voted for but so vehemently defend. The Republicans are not in control of the White House and that's where leadership is supposed to come from. If this guy were maintaining your lawn and couldn't keep it green and weed-free, you would not accept his failure and keep paying him. You'd have fired his ass after the first summer.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:09:17 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:03:39 2012.

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Heh. Thanks for admitting FINALLY that the mess that we're in is Bush's fault! I knew I could count on your eventually coming clean! :)

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:13:43 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 02:56:46 2012.

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Well see ... if you actually did a little research, you'd already know this. Canadian tar sans oil contains LOTS of sediment, is highly acidic and eats through pipes. And you mean to tell me that you never heard of the Mobil mess in Brooklyn? Wow. I'll bet you didn't get told about what BP and Halliburton did in the Gulf either. :(

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:14:33 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:09:17 2012.

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You really don't get it do you? After 3 1/2 years, I don't care who caused the mess. This schmuck was hired to fix it. He hasn't fixed it, he's mad it worse. If you hired a guy to fix your roof because there was a leak in the bedroom, you wouldn't care why it was leaking. You'd want it fixed. If the guy you hired didn't fix it and not the livingroom had leaks to, you'd want to sue the bastard. Let me give it to you straight. We have fucking leaks in every room now that we didn't have 3 1/2 years ago. The guy YOU hired to fix the roof has fucked it up worse than ever. I want a new guy who is going to fix it. BTW: The blame Bush game is really getting to be "BUSH LEAGUE" and childish.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:15:43 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:13:43 2012.

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Don't get me wrong ... I understand why we need pipelines. However, it's not unreasonable to expect the only aquifer in the midwest to be protected from spills. And after all, this is a republican Governor who's stopping the construction and wanted it diverted away from his water before the rest of that pipeline gets built. Shouldn't the GOP be spanking HIM instead?

Oh wait ... nevermind ... it's the secret Muslim who's the bad guy.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:16:53 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:14:33 2012.

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Then fire the republicans, get Pelosi back in there and let's fix it. We started to turn things around and still had a AAA rating until Boehner's boys came to town.

And as to "Bush league" why do we even HAVE this mess in the first place?

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:19:58 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:13:43 2012.

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Cut me a check and I'll do the research. If the oil is so corrosive as you suggest then what makes it safe to transport by rail as the liberals want to do? Are you suggesting that corrosive chemicals cannot be transported safely via pipeline? And lets leave your favorite red herring, Halliburton out of the discussion unless you are suggesting that the gulf spill was due to a petro-chemical pipeline failure. You aren't going to try and tell us that, are you?

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:22:06 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:15:43 2012.

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Oh, so its the Evil Republican Governor who has stopped the pipeline and not the fucking moron in the White House? You are not going to try to tell us that, are you? What is it with you? Do you think that you can continually make shit up and pass it off as fact?

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:25:03 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:16:53 2012.

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Pelosi, the clown who said, we have to pass the bill before we could know what was in it? Pelosi was the speaker for 2 years and nothing got done. What part of failure don't you understand. She had her shot. She failed. She was fired. BUT Again, when will you admit that the president is supposed to provide the leadership to bring parties together. This moron has been unable to get the job done.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:28:11 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:19:58 2012.

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Heh. Of course not. Pipes don't leak! And Halliburton was nowhere near there neither. :)




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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:29:08 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:22:06 2012.

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No, that's Faux News' job ... enjoy your propaganda then, nothing to see here. :)

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:30:15 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:25:03 2012.

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Well then let Hannity fix it. Why screw around with a guy who doesn't know that the majority of Americans DIDN'T come from England? I'm sure Rush can turn things around in a week. :)

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:32:28 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:28:11 2012.

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If you are not going to debate honestly then there is no point in going any further. You know perfectly well what that is and its not the type of pipeline we're talk about any more than the one out to your leaching field is.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:33:22 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:29:08 2012.

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So I guess you are out of your own arguments and have to resort to throwing the enemy list at me.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:34:40 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:30:15 2012.

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Hannity didn't run for office and was not elected to office. If you want to throw red herrings into the argument instead of refuting facts, I can only claim victory by default, YOU LOSE.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:44:23 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:32:28 2012.

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Be happy to debate you. If you can finish this code for fpu_ctx shim for 802.11n code for the RALINK run0 tcp/ip library then I can go and fetch for you. But somebody's gotta get this code done tonight. Deal? I'll send you the compiler and include libraries. Oh ... it needs some driver code to get around the manufacturer's illegal use of FPU unit registers while in S3 suspend mode.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:48:13 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:33:22 2012.

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Heh. Pelosi's your friend now? You did the wild pitch with Clinton back there. :)

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:48:46 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:34:40 2012.

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Chess and pigeons ... yep ... got it. Congratulations are in order then. :)

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:49:28 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:44:23 2012.

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I have no idea what you are talking about nor am I impressed by it. Finish your homework and we can debate another time. Just stop acting like some of us were made with a finger. Lets do it honestly next time

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:51:43 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:48:46 2012.

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Jibber is not going to substitute for facts and cogent arguments except in the case of Dan Lawrence, Salaam and Streetcarman who all seem not to be able to separate fact from jibber

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:57:10 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:49:28 2012.

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I'm sorry ... right wing honesty or the REAL kind? There's a reason why I can't be serious with you ... the "honesty" you're spouting is SO incredibly off base, and I don't do rubber stamp.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 04:07:50 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:51:43 2012.

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I love it when you blindly parrot things you hear from right wing talk morons ...

JIBBER

A Jibber is a person who cunningly acquires an item or object they require for personal use without the exchange of cash, cards or cheque. A Jibber could also artfully 'dodge' train, taxi and bus fares.
Dan; i had to get the train to London the other day but had no wonga on me, anyway i managed to jib my way there....

Dave; nice one you Jibber!!!!!

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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 28 10:59:06 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:14:33 2012.

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He made it worse? How?

I'll answer for you... he hasn't. He's stopped the bleeding, its just that you think you can get the economy fixed like getting a burger at McDonalds. It doesn't happen in the real world sonny boy.

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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 11:12:48 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 03:14:33 2012.

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If I hired a guy to fix my roof I wouldn't want his competition constantly taking the ladder away and holding his roofing shingles hostage.

If the economy is that bad then roll your sleeves up and help and stop gumming up the works with dogmatic ideas.

your pal,
Fred

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 12:47:13 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 03:57:10 2012.

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You obviously don't do facts or legitimate arguments either. That's okay because you've been getting by with bull and fudge for so long, I guess it's become a habit. Like I said, we don't need to try to convince each other. November will be here soon enough.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 12:47:47 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 28 04:07:50 2012.

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As I said

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 12:53:53 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 28 10:59:06 2012.

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Sonny boy? You must have me confused with someone who is easily amused by your childish behavior, chrissy. You do have the wrong person. Keep supporting that loser. When you lose all that you've worked for, because it was really never yours, you'll understand.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 28 12:55:45 2012, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline, Keystone kops ... again ..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 28 11:12:48 2012.

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I'm certainly not in a position to do either. I'm just looking out the window watching the guy try to fix your roof and can see from here that he doesn't know the first thing about roofing.

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