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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 25 14:34:56 2012, in response to If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 14:04:44 2012. World War II established that the Jewish people cannot expect nor wait for either sympathy nor help from the other nations on Earth. When Jews were getting slaughtered and needed refuge, every country locked its doors.In the end, all Jews have are other Jews and a very small percentage of non-Jews who are willing to help. That is why there is a State of Israel today and that is why Jews don't, or shouldn't, give a rat's ass about what other countries say about what Israel does to secure herself. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 14:56:55 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 25 14:34:56 2012. אמן |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 25 14:59:19 2012, in response to If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 14:04:44 2012. Everyone remembers Jesse Owens upsetting Der Fuehrer at the 1936 Munchen Olympics, but less well-known was Hitler's banning of Jewish Athletes then, and the U.S. pulling the two Jewish U.S. sprinters who were ready to compete.Face it, Jews are just not fashionable in Europe, in 1936, or 1972, or 2012. U.S. Holocaust Museum article. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 25 15:46:05 2012, in response to If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 14:04:44 2012. Prove it. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 15:48:57 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 25 15:46:05 2012. You just did. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 25 15:57:48 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 15:48:57 2012. +1000 |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 25 16:08:45 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 15:48:57 2012. I just proved below that your post is a falsehood.As it turns outs , Israel is the ONLY country being given tribute for a crime committed during the Olympic Games. ------------------ LONDON (AP) IOC President Jacques Rogge paid tribute Monday to the 11 Israeli athletes and coaches killed in Munich 40 years ago, leading a solemn minute of silence in the athletes village. It was the first time the IOC has honored the slain Israelis in a ceremony inside an Olympic village. Rogge has repeatedly rebuffed calls to hold a moment of silence during Friday's opening ceremony of the London Games. He said Saturday the opening was not the appropriate place to remember the Israeli team members killed by Palestinian gunmen at the 1972 Munich Olympics. On Monday, Rogge chose a different venue and occasion to hold a special observance. "I would like to start today's ceremony by honoring the memory of the 11 Israeli Olympians who shared the ideals that have brought us together in this beautiful Olympic Village," Rogge said. "The 11 victims of the Munich tragedy believed in that vision. "They came to Munich in the spirit of peace and solidarity. We owe it to them to keep the spirit alive and to remember them." Rogge bowed his head as a crowd of about 100 people - IOC executive board members, dignitaries and Olympic athletes and officials - stood in silence for a minute. "As the events of 40 years ago remind us, sport is not immune from and cannot cure all the ills of the world," Rogge said. Rogge spoke from an outdoor stage during a ceremony promoting the Olympic Truce, a U.N.-backed initiative calling on warring parties around the world to end hostilities during the period of the games. Rogge and other officials signed the "truce wall" after the event. Rogge and the International Olympic Committee have come under pressure from Jewish groups and politicians in the United States, Israel and Germany to honor the Munich victims during the opening ceremony. "We feel that the opening ceremony is an atmosphere that is not fit to remember such a tragic incident," Rogge said Saturday. Rogge and the IOC will also honor the slain Israelis at a private reception in London during the games on Aug. 6. The IOC will also take part in a ceremony in Germany on the anniversary of the attack on Sept. 5 at the military airfield of Furstenfeldbruck where most of the Israelis died. During the second week of the Munich Games, eight members of the Black September militant group penetrated the laxly secured Olympic Village and took Israeli team members hostage. A day later, all 11 were dead. German police killed five of the eight assassins during a failed rescue attempt. Rogge, who competed in sailing at the Munich Games, said Monday's tribute was heartfelt and not a response to the demands for a commemoration during the opening ceremony. "It has nothing to do with the requests," he said. "It was a spontaneous gesture from me because we are here in the Olympic Village where the athletes were killed, part of them at least. This is a place where we speak about sport and peace. It's absolutely normal I should call for a remembrance of the Israeli athletes. "I couldn't speak here in front of the athletes and the national Olympic committees about peace and sport and about the Olympic Truce without remembering or reminding the people what happened 40 years ago and the disaster that also started in the Olympic Village in Munich, so it was fitting that I would say what I feel about that." The remembrance came at the end of a tour of the village by Rogge and the executive board. Rogge inspected a room in the Brazilian housing area, watched a team-welcoming ceremony featuring circus performers, chatted with British volleyball player Nathan French in the game room and sat in the cafeteria with Australian athletes who greeted him with "G'day mate." Rogge, who is attending his 21st Olympics, had rave reviews for the facilities. "It's a Premier League Olympic Village," he said. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 25 16:21:16 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 25 16:08:45 2012. "... for a crime committed during the Olympic games..."What other crimes did you have in the mind? As to Jeff's post being a falsehood, there have been many other Olympics in the last 40 years, and the article says this was the first, so he had every reasonable expectation that this would be the same. But notable that this happened in that "Anglo-Saxon country" being sneered at elsewhere on this forum. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 25 16:26:04 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 25 16:21:16 2012. Jacque Rogge is not an Anglo-Saxon and neither are 95% of the athletes in that Olympic Village. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jul 25 16:58:16 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 15:48:57 2012. Pwn3d |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 25 17:08:22 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 25 16:08:45 2012. Have there been other Olympic athletes taken hostage and murdered besides those in Munich? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 17:13:26 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 25 16:08:45 2012. In all fairness I haven't heard about this until your post now. I guess the publicity about the repeated calls worked. I do give them credit though. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 25 17:30:35 2012, in response to If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 14:04:44 2012. Because watch the Jews scream bloody murder cuz there's no moment of silence is an Olympic Event?I'll take "practical jokes" for $800, Alex. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 17:36:38 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 25 17:30:35 2012. Huh? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 25 17:39:50 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 17:36:38 2012. You'll figure it out.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Jul 25 19:07:28 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 15:48:57 2012. Completely non-sensical response. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 25 19:26:20 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 17:13:26 2012. It was in the news a couple of days ago, Sarge. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:07:52 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 25 16:26:04 2012. OK. Now can you tell me what crimes at the Olympics have occurred that haven't merited a moment of silence? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:09:23 2012, in response to If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 25 14:04:44 2012. Still waiting for an answer from SMAZ for my similar question.I guess he's observing his own |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:14:49 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Dave on Wed Jul 25 19:26:20 2012. I don't know. I see a number of recent articles that says it hasn't happened, such as this from the AP 16 hours ago.http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/apnewsbreak-clinton-urges-ioc-to-hold-moment-of-silence-for-israeli-athletes-killed-in-munich/2012/07/25/gJQA74mf9W_story.html |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:17:02 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 25 17:39:50 2012. Yes, you're saying Jews are noisy and pushy.Got it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 09:28:17 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:07:52 2012. OK. Now can you tell me what crimes at the Olympics have occurred that haven't merited a moment of silence?For starters, there was a massacre in Mexico City '68 and a bomb by a Teabagger in Atlanta '96 . Rogge's actions at the Olympic Village were appropriate. Do you want a moment of silence for the 20th anniversary of the Atlanta Olympic Park bombing during Rio '16. Should there have been one in '08 for the 40th of the Mexico City Massacre? Where does it end? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:43:25 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 09:28:17 2012. The Munich event, in Hitler's favorite venue, was aimed AT ATHLETES IN THE OLYMPIC VILLAGE. Just marking that point of fact.The Mexico City Massacre happened 10 days before the Olympics, and was part of the unrest over the student movement then. This wasn't at the Olympics nor were any athletes or spectators involved. The Atlanta bombing likewise was not aimed at the Olympics or its athletes. And thanks for revealing your underlying bigotry in using the "Teabagger" term. Leftists just can't seem to avoid their little rhetorical flourishes. I do think, however, that a moment of silence SHOULD be observed for the Terrorist bombings IN LONDON specifically aimed at punishing England for its elation at having won THESE Olympics. But never mind, like all people of your ilk, your message is crystal clear, you claim "where will it end" when you really mean is "what makes the JEWS think they're so fucking special." Been there. Heard that. Old news. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jul 26 09:50:23 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 09:28:17 2012. The incident in Mexico City happened ten days before the Olympics started, and had no connection to the games. The bomb in 1996 was a terroristic attack on non-participants. Comparing either one to 1972 is apples and oranges. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 26 09:52:22 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:43:25 2012. Good post. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 26 09:52:40 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by Charles G on Thu Jul 26 09:50:23 2012. +1 |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 26 09:56:14 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 09:28:17 2012. You can draw a very simple and clear line that would be fitting of what the IOC supposedly stands for. The IOC could recognize any Olympian who dies during the course of the Olympics at each opening ceremony. Saying they have no time or space for moments of silence during the opening ceremony is complete and utter BS, they found time for observing the death of luger Nodar Kumaritashvili in 2010. I think the IOC is concerned about reprisals from Arab countries more than anything else, which is sad in light of what the Olympics are meant to represent. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 10:02:39 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 26 09:56:14 2012. Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass whether the moment of silence is held, because I have about as much respect for the Olympics as an organization as I have for the U.N.But listening to the people explaining why it shouldn't be held is both revealing and grimly entertaining. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 26 10:08:43 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 10:02:39 2012. Should have been taken as a bad sign that it was the French that revived the Olympic Games back in 1896. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 10:27:56 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 09:43:25 2012. But never mind, like all people of your ilk, your message is crystal clear, you claim "where will it end" when you really mean is "what makes the JEWS think they're so fucking special." Been there. Heard that. Old news.I am the most pro-Israel Gentile on this board. Was there a commemoration on the 20th anniversary during Barcelona '92? Everybody knows what happened. Countless documentaries have been made about it. There is not one Olympics that goes by without mention of it. At some point it needs to start fading away into memory. You don't need a moment of silence for every tragic event that may occur or we will be spending every festive event like an Olympics commiserating about the past instead of celebrating the present and future. These 2012 Olympics belongs to THESE athletes. Let them be. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 10:32:48 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 26 09:56:14 2012. they found time for observing the death of luger Nodar Kumaritashvili in 2010.and they somehow didn't find time in 1972 to observe the death of those Israeli athletes? The Opening Ceremony is a completely different animal. It belongs to the athletes of THESE Olympics. It is THEIR moment in the Sun. It is THEIR time and NOBODY should take that away from them. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 26 12:17:29 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 10:27:56 2012. Was there a commemoration on the 20th anniversary during Barcelona '92?Nothing beyond the regular commemoration they supposedly do each Olympics. There is not one Olympics that goes by without mention of it. This is the first where I remember so much discussion about it. You don't need a moment of silence for every tragic event that may occur or we will be spending every festive event like an Olympics commiserating about the past instead of celebrating the present and future. The Olympics ought to commemorate this tragic event which countered the Olympic movement stated goals, instead of trying to pretend it didn't happen. What do you think of the Iranians dropping out to avoid facing Israelis? The idea is that everyone comes together despite conflicts, personal differences, etc. to compete in sport and to put politics aside. Recognizing the time that it didn't happen during an Olympic Games would be a remarkable statement to make and one that should be made IMO. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 12:47:12 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 10:32:48 2012. It belongs to the athletes of THESE Olympics.It is THEIR moment in the Sun. It is THEIR time and NOBODY should take that away from them. That's BS. They don't want to anger the Arabs. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 26 17:09:55 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 10:32:48 2012. Maybe this will clear things up for you |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 18:39:19 2012, in response to For SMAZ Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 26 17:09:55 2012. Spitzer's quest should not mar the Opening Ceremonies for TODAY's athletes.There is a time for everything. An Opening Ceremony is not one of those times. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 18:47:41 2012, in response to Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SLRT on Thu Jul 26 12:47:12 2012. It's because of people like you that the Olympics get bogged down in political bullshit. Old relics that can't let go of the past and need to bring old agendas on a festive event that is supposed to celebrate the Youth of the World. It's a selfish attitude with a complete disregard for the participants of the current edition. In 2022, Munich/Garmisch may get the Winter Olympics on the 50th Anniversary of that bloodbath. A commemoration of the 1972 tragedy does not even belong in THAT opening ceremony, let alone this one. People under 40 should be banned from saying anything about the Olympics period. That includes me. We are obsolete and damaging to all that is good in this world. Just watch the Games and enjoy them. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 27 03:01:33 2012, in response to Re: For SMAZ Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 18:39:19 2012. So when do you suggest the time is? There hasn't been a prominent one for 40 years. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 27 10:39:58 2012, in response to Re: For SMAZ Re: If any other country had their athletes killed at the Munich Olympics 40 yrs ago..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 27 03:01:33 2012. So when do you suggest the time is?What Jacques Rogge did. |
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